Magilla Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, woodview said: Which of the four freedoms do Canada, Japan etc comply with? None. As such Canada and Japan don't enjoy free movement of goods with the EU. 4 minutes ago, woodview said: It does stop border checks. The duty on the goods is paid to the shipping company, based on the commodity code. It doesn't involve an hmrc man with a clipboard sifting through the lorry. No, it doesn't, it might reduce them but certainly does not stop them, for obvious reasons. 4 minutes ago, woodview said: One thing is for sure, claiming it is all impossible is a sure way to make anything impossible. Now you're just being silly. It's not impossible if the EU drops their entire reason to exist. How probable do you think that's going to be? 4 minutes ago, woodview said: Obviously the eu and people who want to remain for other reasins will line up 'impossible' obstacles. Yawn, for the 1000th time, "you can't have your cake and eat it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, Magilla said: None. As such Canada and Japan don't enjoy free movement of goods with the EU. No, it doesn't, it might reduce them but certainly does not stop them, for obvious reasons. Now you're just being silly. It's not impossible if the EU drops their entire reason to exist. How probable do you think that's going to be? Yawn, for the 1000th time, "you can't have your cake and eat it". But Canada and Japan have wide ranging tariff free access, without the 'benefit' / obligation of the 4 freedoms. Ok, border checks exist in theory for everything / everyone entering the uk, whether eu or not. Fact remains the image of an hmrc man checking everyhring is false. Goods come in with paperwork prepared and generally flow straight through. Tariffs and duty are settled later. It happens now. Well, now we are getting to it. A free trading area can exist without a central government. Of course they dont want the kings new clothes exposing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, woodview said: But Canada and Japan have wide ranging tariff free access, without the 'benefit' / obligation of the 4 freedoms. But so what? Tarrif free *in no way* implies no borders, border checks or any notion of free movement of goods. It's about tarrifs..... the clue's in the name! 2 minutes ago, woodview said: Ok, border checks exist in theory for everything / everyone entering the uk, whether eu or not. Fact remains the image of an hmrc man checking everyhring is false. I never suggested they were going to check everything, merely that border checks will (and indeed, must) take place far more than currently. That's simply a no-brainer, especially with regard to food. As before, a CETA type deal recognises that border checks must happen and includes provisions to make sure they do to maintain the integrity of the single market. 2 minutes ago, woodview said: Goods come in with paperwork prepared and generally flow straight through. Tariffs and duty are settled later. It happens now. Well, now we are getting to it. A free trading area can exist without a central government. Of course they dont want the kings new clothes exposing. You haven't "exposed" anything other than to highlight your lack of understanding re: the Canada deal. Essentially wishful thinking, just another version of "cake", but not in any way a reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said: Also the TTIP style removal of food and animal welfare standards in order to trade with the US, will lead to smuggling of poor quality meat across the Irish border into the South! You mean just like it did with the horse meat scandal? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/22/horsemeat-scandal-guardian-investigation-public-secrecy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said: Also the TTIP style removal of food and animal welfare standards in order to trade with the US, will lead to smuggling of poor quality meat across the Irish border into the South! Finally you've identified something the smugglers might be able to make money from. The Irish might prefer good quality Texas beef (TBQA) to their own beef from farms which allegedly have poor animal welfare standards. Any thoughts yet on what smugglers could make money out of smuggling from Ireland to Northern Ireland? Edited December 9, 2018 by Lockdoctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) LOL, Andy Serkis trolls May, absolutely brilliant Edited December 9, 2018 by melthebell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said: The Irish might prefer good quality Texas beef (TBQA) to their own beef from farms which allegedly have poor animal welfare standards. Any thoughts yet on what smugglers could make money out of smuggling from Ireland to Northern Ireland? You've been smoking that strong weed again. Irish beef is actually exported to the US because of it's quality and people would be smuggled into the UK from Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil752 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 How much of an influence has none elected civil servants, had on this mess, listening to Johnson, today. Its seems quite a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, phil752 said: How much of an influence has none elected civil servants, had on this mess, listening to Johnson, today. Its seems quite a lot If you are refering to Boris Johnson, then he is not exactly the most, reliable, consistant or truthful of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) CJEU judgement about the Article 50 revocability is out. They’ve basically given the nod to the AG’s opinion (revocation possible unilaterally, if domestic constitutional procedure followed), and completely dodged the issue of accountability of the “ex” withdrawing Member State to the EU27 (no say or conditions whatsoever about revocation, which is confirmed as reverting to status quo). Good result for Remain, bad result for U.K. government, bad result for EU Commission. I’d still argue, more of a bad result than a good one for the EU, as Article 50 could now be used in bad faith/as a destabilising mechanism, by Member States with a democratic deficit (looking at eg Hungary & Poland here). It’s neither a good day, nor a bad one. More like bittersweet. Edited December 10, 2018 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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