Top Cats Hat Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, ANGELFIRE1 said: According to the latest figures provided by the Commission, fraud affects 0.2% of the EU's annual spending. Wow that's pretty good. Unfortunately there are opportunities for fraud in all large organisations. 0.2% in an organisation as big as the EU is pretty impressive. I had no idea that it was so low. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lottiecass Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 18 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said: You refer to that as though it is a bad thing???? You must live in a different world, what reason would you give for the swing to the right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/dec/16/jaguar-land-rover-to-axe-up-to-5000-jobs They voted for it. They can start to eat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 3 hours ago, lottiecass said: You must live in a different world, what reason would you give for the swing to the right? Mainly economic. Issues such as nationalism and national identity are pretty much irrelevant in the 21st century and really only appear when ****stirrers raise them for their own political ambitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I think that deliberate action by foreign states to stir up race hatred and divide countries has something to do with it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 In 1928 there was a worldwide economic depression which was followed by the rise of the right in Europe. In 2008 there was a worldwide economic recession which was followed by the rise of the right in Europe. Coincidence? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lottiecass Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: Mainly economic. Issues such as nationalism and national identity are pretty much irrelevant in the 21st century and really only appear when ****stirrers raise them for their own political ambitions. Well you either on another planet or just will not face reality.Perhaps national identity doesn't matter to you but to millions it does , people who have zero political raise this issue. Do you only ever speak to left wing liberals. 1 minute ago, Top Cats Hat said: In 1928 there was a worldwide economic depression which was followed by the rise of the right in Europe. In 2008 there was a worldwide economic recession which was followed by the rise of the right in Europe. Coincidence? I don't think so. The 2008 recession was no where near as bad as 1928. You are looking for any reason to explain the swing to the right ,when you know the real reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, lottiecass said: Perhaps national identity doesn't matter to you but to millions it does , people who have zero political raise this issue You are absolutely right. It is people who have zero political involvement who are most interested in this issue. People who don't vote. People who don't join a union. People who aren't interested in education. People who tend not to mix outside their own kind. People who don't know much tend to be much more easily frightened than those who understand the world. That is why such people are meat and drink to populist, right wing figures with lazy slogans and dog whistle politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lottiecass Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, Top Cats Hat said: You are absolutely right. It is people who have zero political involvement who are most interested in this issue. People who don't vote. People who don't join a union. People who aren't interested in education. People who tend not to mix outside their own kind. People who don't know much tend to be much more easily frightened than those who understand the world. That is why such people are meat and drink to populist, right wing figures with lazy slogans and dog whistle politics. I should have made it clearer,people who have no political ambition neither left or right. Ordinary everyday type of people do not want to lose their national identity ,it is the same here as in European countries. You seem to be one of those who tend not to mix outside your "own kind" which sounds a bit strange to me whats own kind mean? You really put much into your opinions, all of which matter as much as the next persons.For your information,people who don't vote got off their arses and voted leave, so obviously leaving the eu mattered to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penistone999 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said: Mainly economic. Issues such as nationalism and national identity are pretty much irrelevant in the 21st century and really only appear when ****stirrers raise them for their own political ambitions. Its the EU who are guilty of trying to dilute national identity ,and turn Europe into one big multi- cultural experiment . If some people had more pride in their national identity maybe society wouldnt be in the mess it is. Edited December 16, 2018 by Penistone999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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