Top Cats Hat Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, Flexo said: The owner of Wetherspoons wants Brexit because it makes him richer. He more or less said that, when asked on Question Time or one of the other political shows during the referendum campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said: Article 24 has never been implemented before and the UK don't have to stay in the transitional period. Of course the EC 27 don't have to continue to implement zero tariffs on UK goods. If they don't, Article 24 cannot be used. 2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said: The point of Article 24 is the UK would be free to treat the EU differently regarding tariffs from the rest of the World for up to 10 years. Again, this isn't possible without the consent of the EU27. The interim would involve keeping FoM, EU budget contributions, and ECJ jurisdiction. 2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said: Leaving the EU without a deal is the only option which doesn't involve kicking the can down the road. Nah, that's binning the can. Again, no-deal was not a Brexit that anyone campaigned for, if it had been it's debatable whether leave would have won. I say no chance. 45 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: But here’s the thing. We now now what the deal is. Indeed, if you agree to buy a Ferarri, then it turns out it's actually a Skoda... is it really right that you should still be forced to buy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: Democracy is about the will of the people now, not almost 3 years ago. No democracy is about the will of parliament who are our democratic representatives, and not the will of the people and that is where people get it wrong. 7 minutes ago, Magilla said: Again, no-deal was not a Brexit that anyone campaigned for, if it had been it's debatable whether leave would have won. I say no chance. What was campaigned for is immaterial as the choices were clear on the ballot paper for all to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, apelike said: No democracy is about the will of parliament who are our democratic representatives, and not the will of the people and that is where people get it wrong. What was campaigned for is immaterial as the choices were clear on the ballot paper for all to read. So the will of the people in 2016 doesn't count then? Edited December 17, 2018 by truman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiBrexit Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, Flexo said: People have less money to spend when the economy is weak. They still want to go out for a treat but have less money. So Wetherspoons - which is at the low-cost end of the pub food market - gets more business. The owner of Wetherspoons wants Brexit because it makes him richer. I really can't see prices dropping to be honest it wasn't that long ago Tim Martin said prices were going up in his chain. If an no deal Brexit happens and chaos follows it will hit his business and others too if the pound drops to low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, truman said: So the will of the peoploe in 2016 doesn't count then? What do you class as the will of the people? They voted in a referendum which as been pointed out on may occasions was also advisory. Edited December 17, 2018 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, apelike said: What do you class as the will of the people? They voted in a referendum which as been pointed out on may occasions was also advisory. Are you saying the choice made by the voters doesn't count and isn't democratic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobinfoot Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, I1L2T3 said: I do accept it. In case you you haven’t noticed A50 has been invoked, and the U.K. and EU have been negotiating for two years. That alone indicated that the result has been respected. Nobody can say it hasn’t been, and in the meantime remainers have quietly, patiently protested. But here’s the thing. We now now what the deal is. We know about serious illegality on the leave side. We know about Russian involvement. We now know that we were lied to. Democracy is about the will of the people now, not almost 3 years ago. Things change and we need to move forward based on reality and what is now known. To suggest anything else is an affront to democracy. Invoking A50 was only the start of the process not the end. The result of the referendum will be honoured when we leave in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, AntiBrexit said: I really can't see prices dropping to be honest it wasn't that long ago Tim Martin said prices were going up in his chain. If an no deal Brexit happens and chaos follows it will hit his business and others too if the pound drops to low. Without being rude, Weatherspoons is the Poundshop of the pub business but whereas Poundshops are pretty much the cheapest shop for a lot of things, when pubs get expensive, people go to supermarkets or the cheap booze section of minimarts like Spar and Premier. As Weatherspoons' customers are in the demographic which will be hit first and hardest by Brexit, Tim Martin may end up losing most of his customers! 😫 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 28 minutes ago, Magilla said: If they don't, Article 24 cannot be used. Again, this isn't possible without the consent of the EU27. The interim would involve keeping FoM, EU budget contributions, and ECJ jurisdiction. Nah, that's binning the can. You're spouting nonsense and clearly have no understanding of WTO Article 24. If the UK leaves the EU without a deal then the UK doesn't need the consent of the EU27 to implement zero tariffs on any goods whether they are from the EU or any where else in the World. 1 hour ago, Flexo said: People have less money to spend when the economy is weak. They still want to go out for a treat but have less money. So Wetherspoons - which is at the low-cost end of the pub food market - gets more business. The owner of Wetherspoons wants Brexit because it makes him richer. The poorest people will benefit the most from zero tariffs on all food. I don't agree that only poor people go to Wetherspoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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