RJRB Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, retep said: Ah well, "GERMANY will particularly suffer in the event of a no-deal Brexit as its export-dominated economy leaves it very vulnerable to damage." https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1061636/eu-news-germany-no-deal-Brexit-consequences-angela-merkel That’s very comforting.We will suffer as a result of Brexit but others might suffer more. I will add that to the other convincing argument that things will not be as bad as some fear. You are on a roll Edited December 20, 2018 by RJRB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 hour ago, hobinfoot said: One that's following the instructions of the referendum. I said in an earlier post that the EU want to sell their goods to us we want to sell ours to them. Or do you think all trade will stop after we leave ? You didn’t answer the question. If the government expects that the suicide rate will increase should it continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 hour ago, hobinfoot said: One that's following the instructions of the referendum. A non binding, advisory only referendum does not give instructions, it just gives the government an idea about what the mood of the country is. Despite all the screaming and shouting, the 2016 vote obliges the government to do nothing. Article 50 was triggered by an Act of Parliament and if the repercussions of following this through would be great damage to the people and the economy of the UK then there is nothing stopping the government, with the support of Parliament, changing tack. We don't need a referendum to halt the Brexit process, and even if we did, the cranks, racists and extremists will still scream and shout. Most people would just sigh a huge sigh of relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 hour ago, hobinfoot said: One that's following the instructions of the referendum. I said in an earlier post that the EU want to sell their goods to us we want to sell ours to them. Or do you think all trade will stop after we leave ? We've been over this a million times, but we export 45% of our products to the EU, they import 11% of their products from us. Who stands to lose more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, Cyclone said: We've been over this a million times, but we export 45% of our products to the EU, they import 11% of their products from us. Who stands to lose more? This is the fundamental economic reality of the negotiation process. We come to the table from a much weaker position than the EU and we are really just discussing the fine detais. Those accusing May of rolling over, the EU of punishing us or if we 'stood up to Brussels' we'd get a much better deal are just showing how little they know about the situation, including those who think that Corbyn or McDonnell would do any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Flexo said: Reserves for emergencies?! There are no "reserves" at all! There is and we have several types. As of August 2018 the UK held $187.4 billion in foreign reserves and 310.3 tonnes of gold valued at todays value of $13.8 billion and there are also budget reserves held back for emergencies such as a sudden war etc. Local councils also hold reserves for emergencies and I think SCC have several £M held back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 hours ago, L00b said: Yeah. And last night, a homeless man in distress outside Westminster died in hospital. An how many have recently died across the EU? How many are also living in poverty across the EU? You see its something that is widespread even in rich EU countries and not just something that is restricted to the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, apelike said: An how many have recently died across the EU? How many are also living in poverty across the EU? You see its something that is widespread even in rich EU countries and not just something that is restricted to the UK In Italy over 5 million people are living in ABSOLUTE poverty. The democratically elected coalition government attempted to do something about this and introduce a minimum income 'citizens wage' for the very poorest, as part of a draft budget. The non-elected EU rejected this draft budget and threatened Italy with sanctions if the coalition government tried to help the poor. Not only is the EU an enemy of democracy, it's also an enemy of the poor. https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-italy-politics-poverty/poverty-in-italy-at-worst-for-12-years-new-government-vows-action-idUKKBN1JM23J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailyBoy Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 The article doesn't mention the EU at all, not once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said: The article doesn't mention the EU at all, not once. How about this one: "Italy was threatened with sanctions. Last week, the government in Rome caved in, drafting a new, more austere budget. Whether it’s sufficient to placate the commission remains to be seen." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/16/europes-merciless-treatment-of-italy-only-hardens-popular-resentment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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