L00b Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BrexitGuy said: As for the politics afterwards, that wasn't the concern of the average Joe as we have politicians to do that for us and regardless of which way it went, the general public have a government to iron out the crinkles and make the people's wishes develop. How's that working out for you so far? The reason for the mess, is precisely because the referendum was ill-thought out and its question far too simple. Such is the way of populism, since the year dot: it promises soundbite solutions to highly complex problems for appealing to voters perplexed / confused / frightened by these problems' symptoms; then crashes hard at the delivery stage, because the complexity of these problems doesn't go away with electoral success. Your free choices, as a voter in a democracy enjoying unimpeded access to information, are at all times to either (i) exercise research and critical thinking to inform your opinion and vote; or (ii) confirm your bias; or (iii) not particularly care either way and go with gut feel. None of those pre-supposes high or low intelligence to begin with...but a refusal to acknowledge and process facts (as opposed to opinions) is not a good look for someone supposedly intelligent. Edited December 21, 2018 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 10 hours ago, I1L2T3 said: paragon of democracy Putin has declared that May must respect the will of the people. Couldn’t make this up. Brexiters are Putin’s poodles Putin understands how UK democracy works. The difference between the UK and Russia is that Russia have a system of managed democracy. The Russian system of democracy would suit all the people, who still want the UK to remain in the EU because their state's policies always remain unchanged after their people vote in elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrexitGuy Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 glad to hear that, but tea is nothing without digestive biscuits. 1 hour ago, Magilla said: I made one afterwards.... it was very nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 hours ago, BrexitGuy said: And the remain camp only managed 34.73 of the entire electorate that turned out. And you are right, we don't need a second referendum as the first one had a majority. Do you think there's a majority for Brexit now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said: glad to hear that, but tea is nothing without digestive biscuits. I'll just do what you do and imagine they existed Edited December 21, 2018 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 53 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: Putin understands how UK democracy works. The difference between the UK and Russia is that Russia have a system of managed democracy. The Russian system of democracy would suit all the people, who still want the UK to remain in the EU because their state's policies always remain unchanged after their people vote in elections. That is the most stupid post about politics I’ve ever read on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Magilla said: Too early for the biscuit I'm afraid. Toast soon tho.... You standing ready to "vary your diet" yet? Apparently that is part of the advice about to be dispensed to Britons by Whitehall Brexit planners. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 13 hours ago, L00b said: The EU isn't enforcing austerity in Italy, the populist joke that passes for the current Italian government is maintaining it through its ineptitude. Now, can you try and make a cogent argument for a change, instead of disingenuously misrepresenting my post with your strawman? I'm asking once, in the clear, and nicely. Next one like that I'll just report. The EU is absolutely enforcing austerity on Italy. The democratically elected coalition government want to introduce a mild pro-growth budget which includes a basic income for the poorest people (over 5 million in Italy live in absolute poverty). But fiscal discipline, not people, is what is important to the EU. So the non-elected EU threatened the elected Italian government with an Excessive Deficit Procedure which could have led to a fine of about €9 billion if it did not capitulate. The coalition government wants to spend to stimulate growth in the economy, boosting consumption and employment, as EU austerity measures have failed - creating terrible poverty without cutting the national debt. So basically austerity, which hasn't cut debt, is being used to placate the markets. The EU, as always, puts the markets before people. https://euobserver.com/opinion/143593 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Car Boot said: The EU is... You still haven't said what's good about Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Halibut said: You still haven't said what's good about Brexit. The very best thing about Brexit is that it's a national liberation movement that puts people before profit. Remember folks, EU fiscal discipline is NOT applied uniformly to all members of the Eurozone. There is nothing fair about the EU. Edited December 21, 2018 by Car Boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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