woodview Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Litotes said: But only a minority of the UK population voted to leave An even smaller minority voted Remain! Regardless of the silly stat game, my reply was to your 'tiny handful' comment. A significant number of people don't like the power and increasing influence and style of the eu. That has been ignored for years, resulting in a vote Leave. Also, of more imporfance is an attitude of ignoring a significant proportion of the country with derisory metaphores. It hasn't worked and if Brexit fails to happen , it will lead to a deepining disillusionment with mainsteam politics, which is something that we need to be very wary of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, woodview said: A large number of people think that. You can either listen and consider it, or call it rubbish. Calling it rubbish and ignoring what people were saying, as Cameron did and his predecessors, resulted in a Leave vote. A large number of people believe that they have been abducted by aliens, a large number of people believe that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by the US government, a large number of people believe the moon landings were fake. Just because we now seem to be living in a post-Brexit, post-Trump, post-truth fake news world, doesn't suddenly give crank conspiracy theories a credibility they didn't have before. They were evidence-free, paranoid nonsense then and they are still evidence-free paranoid rubbish now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 50 minutes ago, Litotes said: Conservative and Labour I dont think they did as a party manifesto is made by a political party prior to a GE and not a referendum. 53 minutes ago, Litotes said: Nope, there is the thing called the Peoples Vote. The Peoples Vote is just a proposed idea that also goes against our democratic political system of elected representation and one of the reasons it will not come to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 56 minutes ago, Litotes said: Or are you fingers too far into your ears to hear the population demanding a democratic choice Once again, the population aren't demanding a democratic vote as the population cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litotes Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, apelike said: Once again, the population aren't demanding a democratic vote as the population cant. ??? Wrong! We can demand anything we want - whether we get it or not is down to the democratic conscience of the government. Which I have to admit means it won't happen as Mrs May seems to have the ethics and morals of a dictator. Edited December 22, 2018 by Litotes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Litotes said: But you are blocking the democratic choice of the people to change their minds. The democratic people cant change their minds, but parliament can allow another vote. Edited December 22, 2018 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Litotes said: ??? Wrong! We can demand anything we want - whether we get it or not is down to the democratic conscience of the government. But you said the majority of the population were demanding a vote. What I am pointing out is the very fact that the majority of the population cant as children, babies, non native UK residents, many prisoners and others are exempt from the democratic process as you very well know. IIRC you also are not allowed a vote either, but demand away... Edited December 22, 2018 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 49 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: A large number of people believe that they have been abducted by aliens, a large number of people believe that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by the US government, a large number of people believe the moon landings were fake. Just because we now seem to be living in a post-Brexit, post-Trump, post-truth fake news world, doesn't suddenly give crank conspiracy theories a credibility they didn't have before. They were evidence-free, paranoid nonsense then and they are still evidence-free paranoid rubbish now. The examples you give are believed by a tiny proportion of people. Disillusionment with the eu resulted in a vote Leave. Remain was only suppirted by 35% of the electorate. Equating anti-eu feeling and moon landing conspiricies is exactly the type of atittude that people are fed up of. If people in the main.parties do what you do, it will not turn out well for them. Things need to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, woodview said: The examples you give are believed by a tiny proportion of people. Disillusionment with the eu resulted in a vote Leave. Remain was only suppirted by 35% of the electorate. Equating anti-eu feeling and moon landing conspiricies is exactly the type of atittude that people are fed up of. If people in the main.parties do what you do, it will not turn out well for them. Things need to change. So we “need” a no deal brexit do we? That’s going to clean house at Westminster is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Just now, tinfoilhat said: So we “need” a no deal brexit do we? That’s going to clean house at Westminster is it? Where did I say we need a no-deal Brexit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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