The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[Lockdoctor]

1 hour ago, Cyclone said:

Lockdoctor is getting more desperate as a second referendum becomes more likely.

Not desperate at all. I am merely a strong believer in democracy. David Cameron told us all that it would be the people who decide whether the UK remain or leave the EU and not Parliament. David Cameron told us all, if we voted to leave the EU, then we would really leave the EU and there wouldn't be another referendum. 

 

The legal default position, if Parliament reject the withdrawal agreement on offer is that the UK leave the EU on 29th March on WTO terms.  Our current Prime Minister has ruled out a second referendum which indicates to me another referendum is unlikely.  

[Car Boot]

1 hour ago, Cyclone said:

Lockdoctor is getting more desperate as a second referendum becomes more likely.

The increasing attempts to normalise the non-implementation of the biggest democratic decision this country has ever seen will change our democracy for the worse, if successful. It will set a dangerous precedent from which there is no coming back. Be careful what you wish for.

[Cyclone]

Normalising a second referendum, well, that's democracy in action isn't it.

 

I understand why you're desperate that it not happen, but it really should.  Tell us, do you get a bonus payment if the leave actually goes through, are you paid by the post and what are rubles really worth these days?

[Car Boot]

Just now, Cyclone said:

Normalising a second referendum, well, that's democracy in action isn't it.

 

I understand why you're desperate that it not happen, but it really should.  Tell us, do you get a bonus payment if the leave actually goes through, are you paid by the post and what are rubles really worth these days?

So the 17.4 million people who made the biggest democratic decision this country has ever seen should have their votes cancelled and made to vote again (setting a precedent in the UK whereby referendum results can be overturned by subsequent opinion polls) because wealthy and powerful Remainers in Parliament, the civil service and big business want to reverse the result?

 

How very totalitarian.

 

 

[andyofborg]

6 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

So the 17.4 million people who made the biggest democratic decision this country has ever seen should have their votes cancelled and made to vote again (setting a precedent in the UK whereby referendum results can be overturned by subsequent opinion polls) because wealthy and powerful Remainers in Parliament, the civil service and big business want to reverse the result?

 

How very totalitarian.

 

 

isn't another referendum democracy in action?

 

 

 

[Cyclone]

9 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

So the 17.4 million people who made the biggest democratic decision this country has ever seen should have their votes cancelled and made to vote again (setting a precedent in the UK whereby referendum results can be overturned by subsequent opinion polls) because wealthy and powerful Remainers in Parliament, the civil service and big business want to reverse the result?

 

How very totalitarian.

 

 

How can it be totalitarian to have another democratic vote?  You make no sense at all.

And yes, referendum can clearly be overturned by another referendum.  What idiocy would suggest otherwise?

 

All because the will of the people has quite clearly changed, now that leave has been exposed for the economic and social disaster it really is.  Project reality.

[Car Boot]

4 minutes ago, andyofborg said:

isn't another referendum democracy in action?

 

 

 

Holding a rerun of  the biggest democratic vote in UK history because the Establishment and global capitalism isn't happy with the result is the beginning of the end of democracy in any state.

 

If Remainers want to give undemocratic and increasingly inaccurate polls the power to overturn democratic decisions then there will be little point in voting at all in the future.

[Litotes]

2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said:

 It's utter nonsense to spout  a theory that some  people only voted to leave in order to protest.

 

In the spirit of the season - "Oh not it's not"

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/25/protest-vote-regret-voting-leave-brexit

[Car Boot]

40 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

Normalising a second referendum, well, that's democracy in action isn't it.

 

I understand why you're desperate that it not happen, but it really should.  Tell us, do you get a bonus payment if the leave actually goes through, are you paid by the post and what are rubles really worth these days?

A second referendum based on what? The data of undemocratic and increasingly inaccurate polling organisations being funded by who? You want to sell our democracy to whoever can afford to ask a small section of the public biased questions in a poll!

[andyofborg]

2 minutes ago, Car Boot said:

Holding a rerun of  the biggest democratic vote in UK history because the Establishment and global capitalism isn't happy with the result is the beginning of the end of democracy in any state.

 

If Remainers want to give undemocratic and increasingly inaccurate polls the power to overturn democratic decisions then there will be little point in voting at all in the future.

then lets have a bigger democratic vote, based on a better understanding of the consequences of the alternatives. 

 

apart from you, no one is advocating a result based on polls, but another democratic referendum

 

if you were confident about democracy then you would be all out campaigning for another referendum, maybe you're less of a believer in it than you make out on here.

 

1 minute ago, Car Boot said:

A second referendum based on what? 

based on the realisation that parliament is unable to make a decision