Cyclone Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Car Boot said: A second referendum based on what? The data of undemocratic and increasingly inaccurate polling organisations being funded by who? You want to sell our democracy to whoever can afford to ask a small section of the public biased questions in a poll! Based on the now more clear options and consequences for exiting the union. I want our democracy not to be trolled by the russian state and a minority of oligarchs into making a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Cyclone said: Based on the now more clear options and consequences for exiting the union. I want our democracy not to be trolled by the russian state and a minority of oligarchs into making a huge mistake. What you want is a Russian managed style democracy where the status quo always remains the same after elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 What you want is desperately to leave the EU despite the change in opinion against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: What you want is a Russian managed style democracy where the status quo always remains the same after elections. whats wrong with the status quo if its the best option available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, Cyclone said: What you want is desperately to leave the EU despite the change in opinion against it. What you want is a 'managed' or 'guided' democracy here in the UK - so that the people can exercise all their democratic voting rights (say in a referendum) without ever changing establishment policy. Vote for change, get the status quo, EU style. 6 minutes ago, andyofborg said: whats wrong with the status quo if its the best option available? That's exactly what Vladimir Putin says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dardandec Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: What you want is a Russian managed style democracy where the status quo always remains the same after elections. This wasn't an election, elections are fully reversible. That is true democracy in action, not the form you think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Dardandec said: This wasn't an election, elections are fully reversible. That is true democracy in action, not the form you think it is. If Remain won a second referendum would you be happy to hold another one afterwards... just in case the people had changed their minds again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Yep. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, Car Boot said: If Remain won a second referendum would you be happy to hold another one afterwards... If the majority of the electorate want one as a result of a change in circumstance, then yes. 16 minutes ago, Car Boot said: just in case the people had changed their minds again? Of course, they *would* have to change their minds, that seems unlikely given that a remain vote will bring lots of good economic news, in stark contrast to everything Brexit related so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Dardandec said: This wasn't an election, elections are fully reversible. That is true democracy in action, not the form you think it is. Of course the EU referendum was an election. By all means after the result of the 2016 EU has been implemented and a reasonable time has elapsed then discussions about whether the UK want to rejoin the EU should take place in a democratic society. It would be ludicrous if a political party won a UK General Election and there was another General Election before the party who had just won the General Election formed a Government. 1 hour ago, tinfoilhat said: Yep. Why not? What we need now is closure. The only was for closure and to end the none sense is for the UK to leave the EU on 29th March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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