I1L2T3 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, hobinfoot said: Why do tariffs need to be used between us and the EU anyway? They don’t if we stay in CU/SM If we don’t and diverge from EU standards/procedures then tariffs may be needed as a way of re-levelling the playing field. 7 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: A no deal scenario was an obvious possibility as a consequence of the UK democratic people voting to leave the EU. It is irrelevant to the democratic process whether the majority of leave voters are happy with a no deal out come as a consequence of the result of the democratic EU referendum. No campaign or political party campaigned for that at referendum time. 4 minutes ago, Car Boot said: If holding a 'People's Vote' is so vitally important to the electorate, as some on here claim, why aren't we seeing any notable upsurge in the Lib Dem vote? This whole thing is not working neatly along party lines. Many prominent peoples vote supporters are Tories, some even in the cabinet along with many other senior Tories. As for the LibDems, they’re a salutary lesson in how a party can so easily lose the trust of the electorate. Edited December 23, 2018 by I1L2T3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: No campaign or political party campaigned for that at referendum time. Indeed, quite the opposite, any notion of no-deal was decryed as "project fear", quickly followed up by "they need us more than we need them" & "easiest trade deal ever" soundbites. No deal is utterly unacceptable to the majority of the population. Edited December 23, 2018 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: No campaign or political party campaigned for that at referendum time. I refer you to my previous post. A no deal scenario was an obvious outcome if the democratic people voted to leave the EU. It is irrelevant to the democratic process that no political party campaigned for a no deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, Car Boot said: I actually think there's more chance of the UK leaving the EU under a Corbyn led government than under a May (Tory) one. That could be true. Lets hope we never have to find that out Just now, Lockdoctor said: I refer you to my previous post. A no deal scenario was an obvious outcome if the democratic people voted to leave the EU. It is irrelevant to the democratic process that no political party campaigned for a no deal. No it wasn’t obvious. Nobody officially campaigned for it and it has never been the official policy of any party. There is no mandate for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said: Of course you can't unless you want to be the World's laughing stock. Your best post ever. Going back to my original analogy regarding a retrial where new evidence comes to light,one of the reasons for abolishing the death penalty was that mistakes were made which could not be righted. So a second referendum,preferably before any enactment of the 2016 one,would give us all the opportunity to examine the facts and probabilities,before the trap door opens. We might confirm or change our opinions. Being judicious is no reason to be a laughing stock to anyone. If this is not worthy of your reply,just don’t bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 (edited) 50 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: No it wasn’t obvious. Nobody officially campaigned for it and it has never been the official policy of any party. There is no mandate for it Already agreed with you that nobody or political party officially campaigned for a no deal. The fact is a no deal is a obvious scenario of the democratic UK people voting to leave the EU. There is a mandate for the UK leaving the EU without a deal because the democratic people voted in the 2016 EU referendum to leave the EU. 14 minutes ago, RJRB said: Going back to my original analogy regarding a retrial where new evidence comes to light,one of the reasons for abolishing the death penalty was that mistakes were made which could not be righted. So a second referendum,preferably before any enactment of the 2016 one,would give us all the opportunity to examine the facts and probabilities,before the trap door opens. We might confirm or change our opinions. Being judicious is no reason to be a laughing stock to anyone. If this is not worthy of your reply,just don’t bother. You still haven't redeemed yourself. Your latest post is not worthy of a reply. Edited December 23, 2018 by Lockdoctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 51 minutes ago, Magilla said: No deal is utterly unacceptable to the majority of the population. Although you may think that it cant be true as all the population has never been asked as its an impossible task for obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricgem2002 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 hour ago, hobinfoot said: Why do tariffs need to be used between us and the EU anyway? its the eu way of punishing the uk we dont need to implement them just carry on as we are. if we keep to the regulations of manufactoring standards as we are now no need for tariffs but who is trying to tell us different ? let me tell you the eu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrexitGuy Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 1 minute ago, ricgem2002 said: its the eu way of punishing the uk we dont need to implement them just carry on as we are. if we keep to the regulations of manufactoring standards as we are now no need for tariffs but who is trying to tell us different ? let me tell you the eu In short, the EU is fully aware that the UK is a good economic region and they exploit this to shore up other countries that aren't doing so well. This sounds good in principle but when you look at our grass roots problems, mainly the NHS it seems only right and proper to channel the UK's wealth into that. When we leave the EU in March, we will be able to dictate our own charitable payments to overseas countries, at a level that we can afford without putting our own services in hardship. Although trying to explain this to a remainers is like wading through treacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, apelike said: Although you may think that it cant be true as all the population has never been asked as its an impossible task for obvious reasons. Do you not suspect it might be a massive risk trying it out. It won’t get through Parliament anyway. Not a hope. 4 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said: In short, the EU is fully aware that the UK is a good economic region and they exploit this to shore up other countries that aren't doing so well. This sounds good in principle but when you look at our grass roots problems, mainly the NHS it seems only right and proper to channel the UK's wealth into that. When we leave the EU in March, we will be able to dictate our own charitable payments to overseas countries, at a level that we can afford without putting our own services in hardship. Although trying to explain this to a remainers is like wading through treacle. In what way do they exploit us, and how much does it cost us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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