The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[apelike]

4 minutes ago, L00b said:

You keep telling yourself that, and in the meantime leave us in ever less doubt about your views on life and equability.

And this is from someone who was quick to bail out and leave because of money.. I think that says a lot! To quote a line from Gone With the Wind "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" 

 

You chose to bail as soon as you could and yet tzijlstra chose to stay both were choices but one I respect more than the other.. Care to guess which one!

6 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

Well, it's kind of linked to the whole empathy thing.

 

I'll help you, I think they'll feel pretty bad about it all, especially the worry that after a long process and all the uncertainty,  they might be deported.

 

Put yourself in their shoes, how would you feel about it?

 

Thanks for the help but not really needed.

[SnailyBoy]

2 minutes ago, apelike said:

Thanks for the help but not really needed.

Come on, you can say it too.

 

You don't have to fly the flag all the time.

[L00b]

21 minutes ago, apelike said:

And this is from someone who was quick to bail out and leave because of money.. I think that says a lot! To quote a line from Gone With the Wind "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" 

 

You chose to bail as soon as you could and yet tzijlstra chose to stay both were choices but one I respect more than the other.. Care to guess which one.

Because of money?

 

Do you want to substantiate that with a quote, or retract it? Your choice. I've explained my reasons for Brexiting early aplenty, tons of material for you to support your assertion. Happy searching.

 

I don't know you, so couldn't care less about your respect for my life choices. Honest debating, rather than unsubstantiated ad hominem, will do.

Edited December 28, 2018 by L00b

[tzijlstra]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

So apart from the £65 registration fee what has changed?

Nothing, still a complete and utter uncertainty about the future of my family and me. Pretty shambolic I’d say, considering the government has had not only 2 years of time to decide, but ample opportunity for a quid pro quo ‘all rights enshrined’ reciprocation by the EU.

1 hour ago, apelike said:

Sorry Dr.Fraud I cant say as I have not spoken to any and am not lying on your couch.

Have a lie down on my couch. Two years ago I obtained a job that I want to make my career. Permanent academic jobs are notoriously hard to get, and although I don’t hold a full academic post, I do have the sort of role that will keep me happy going forward. My HE employer is regularly sending updates that forwarn what could happen as a result of Brexit. Recently my department got ‘restructured’ and several people at my level lost their jobs. Not a direct consequence but yet another forwarning. Similarly, my wife works for an HE employer that is very dependent on EU funding and international students is constantly cutting its cloth to size. 

 

We’ve been meaning to move house for a year and a half now, holding off because of Brexit. Moving when you lose your job is a daft idea. So my commute remains at least two hours a day and often reaches four a day. Simultaneously we don’t know if I’ll be eligible to get a mortgage as a ‘settled’ person, do you know? Does that mean we need to push ahead now anyway?

 

We’ve asked about the status of my pension and that of my legal entitlement to my wife’s after her retirement, not got any sensible answer ‘we don’t know sir’, likewise we don’t know whether to go ahead with  combining our Dutch pensions with our UK pensions, something we were going to do after me obtaining a permanent post. Can you tell me what status my (currently protected, freely transferable without incurring tax in two nations) pension will hold under settled status?

 

What about healthcare? How long until I will be expected to pay for the NHS as an ‘immigrant’?

 

For the past two years I’ve sought to obtain UK citizenship, but my government tells me repeatedly that this will mean giving up my Dutch (and EU) passport.

 

Our lives are on pause, we can’t future plan, we have no certainty and we have no guarantees that the offered ‘certainty’ means anything to anybody. 

 

in the meantime people like you cast aside these concerns, creating an underbelly sense of being unwelcome in my own country.

 

Thanks for that.

Edited December 28, 2018 by tzijlstra

[I1L2T3]

1 hour ago, apelike said:

And this is from someone who was quick to bail out and leave because of money.. I think that says a lot! To quote a line from Gone With the Wind "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" 

 

You chose to bail as soon as you could and yet tzijlstra chose to stay both were choices but one I respect more than the other.. Care to guess which one!

Thanks for the help but not really needed.

There are some in between too. I’ve spent the last two years getting EU passports sorted for my kids, and a British passport for my wife. I’ve got a substantial proportion of my liquid assets into other currencies with quite a lot in Euro because two of my kids live on the continent now. We’ve got offshore Euro-denominated accounts in three countries so we can shift money around very easily.

 

Ive had to make quite a few financial decisions and changes, and have worked hard to ensure rights for my family don’t change too much.

 

Most of the family are still in the U.K. It’s up to people like you and your leaders about which way you want this to go. You’re not doing a great job.

[L00b]

39 minutes ago, tzijlstra said:

Nothing <...>

The £65 is an application fee, not a 'registration fee' like apelike claimed, and who says 'application' means some will inevitably be turned down, inevitably wrongly so (what with the HO moving the goal posts time and again about required documentation in support for the settled status scheme), besides the fact that this is a retrospective head tax.

 

But let's not have facts get in the way of handwavery at unpalatable truths.

Edited December 28, 2018 by L00b

[apelike]

58 minutes ago, L00b said:

The £65 is an application fee, not a 'registration fee' like apelike claimed, and who says 'application' means some will inevitably be turned down, inevitably wrongly so (what with the HO moving the goal posts time and again about required documentation in support for the settled status scheme), besides the fact that this is a retrospective head tax.

 

But let's not have facts get in the way of handwavery at unpalatable truths.

But the facts are that is has been described as a registration fee and also as an application fee, in fact you will have to apply to be registered as the people who do will inevitably be on a register.

1 hour ago, I1L2T3 said:

It’s up to people like you and your leaders about which way you want this to go.

No Its not up to me and as said many times before I have no input in any of the government or parliaments decisions, what happens now in the full control of them.

Edited December 28, 2018 by apelike

[I1L2T3]

4 minutes ago, apelike said:

But the facts are that is has been described as a registration fee and also as an application fee, in fact you will have to apply to be registered as the people who do will inevitably be on a register.

No Its not up to me and as said many times before I have no input in any of the government or parliaments decisions, what happens now in the full control of them.

You can’t weasel out of it like that. You are a foot soldier for Brexit on this forum, supporting many of the arguments of Brexit leaders on a regular basis.

 

They can only promote through their agenda with the active support of people like yourself.

 

If you genuinely just do want to be passive, and just a passenger in this process then why are you posting?

[apelike]

1 minute ago, I1L2T3 said:

You can’t weasel out of it like that. You are a foot soldier for Brexit on this forum, supporting many of the arguments of Brexit leaders on a regular basis.

I can as I think you will find nothing of the sort in any of my previous posts on brexit, and especially as I have never supported any brexit leaders on any basis. I have also never supported any of the brexit campaigns either especially as I dont watch TV or buy newspapers. 

6 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

They can only promote through their agenda with the active support of people like yourself.

What you mean is they gave me the opportunity to vote knowing full well that I have no input as to what happens after despite Cameron promising the result would be carried out. The voting paper asked if I wanted to remain or leave and I crossed leave.

[apelike]

9 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said:

If you genuinely just do want to be passive, and just a passenger in this process then why are you posting?

Because I'm sick of hearing the constant moaning from remainers who just cannot accept that people voted differently to them. Constantly being told that the referendum was advisory only. Being told that it was the educationally challenged old people that voted leave. Being told that those that voted leave dont care about the future of their children or grand children. Being told that the majority of the population didnt vote to leave when that's pretty obvious as in our democracy only the electorate and the voters count. Being told that the Russians skewed the results.... Unfortunately there is plenty more but I will stop at that. 

 

But like it or not the main reason is that I have the right to post on SF just as much as anybody else and if people dont like what I post then they can use the ignore button or simply just dont post as its a 2 way thing. Notice how polite I normally am as well unlike many who post on here.