apelike Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 hours ago, I1L2T3 said: We do if we want a whole range of basic functions to continue What basic functions are you talking about and is it anywhere near the 750+ you state? 2 hours ago, RJRB said: Why do many supposedly oppose racism whilst stoking the fires of intolerance. Because they are two separate things and are not necessarily tied together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, apelike said: What basic functions are you talking about and is it anywhere near the 750+ you state? Cabotage for airlines and freight (I'm not extending to 'no flying for uncertified UK pilots' yet, even though the EU27 has not said anything about that in its contingency plans: EU-bound UK planes may yet have to be flown by certified EU27 pilots...if the EU wanted to be nasty). Radioactive elements certification (no EURATOM membership and no replacement agency, nor therefore recognition of its competence and certifications). Financial and legal services provision to the EU27 (one of No.11's biggest earners). Exporting of any goods (until and unless UK-specific quotas & tarriffs agreed by all WTO members). Though the recently-released 2017 export stats show that one to be a lesser issue (...I'm afraid). These are just off the top of my head. There's hundreds and hundreds more. According to the FT, out if these 750-odd treaties, 295 are about trade (bilateral deals between EU28 and non-EU countries, incl. eg CETA, Korea & Japan FTAs, about 40-odd with US <etc.>), 202 are about regulatory cooperation (everything from antitrust to data sharing), 69 are about fisheries, 65 are about transport (mostly Open Skies bundle/airlines stuff), 49 are about customs (controls on goods transport, relief of NTBs), 45 are about nuclear (fuel, parts, know-how) and 34 are about agriculture (everything to do with food). Basically, everything on which a modern XXIst century G20 economy is built upon. The UK automatically falls outside of all these, and therefore into third country status limbo, on 30 March 2019 when it ceases to be an EU member state, ie a party to these treaties. What you or anyone else thinks about their importance to the UK, pre- or post-Brexit, is irrelevant: if there's no treaty membership, there's no law; if there's no law, there's no effects; 'no effects' simply means, nothing can be done, claimed or availed of (lest the counterparts deem it so, in their own self-interest: which is exactly what the EU is doing in its contingency plans in case of no deal Brexit, allowing the UK to continue with this tidbit of transport and that other tidbit of EU derivatives trading, because it' advantageous to the EU27, and for no other reason). Edited December 31, 2018 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, andyofborg said: the linked article goes into the situation a bit more and it seems the company is trying to resurect an old route which closed a few years ago. I've no idea how long it takes to set these things up but I guess you can't just turn up with a ship on a monday morning and start running a ferry route. it looks like they started a couple of years ago, maybe they saw this coming..... It's a shell company worth £70 (seventy pounds), with no assets, no commercial track record, no obligation to submit accounts until end 2020, 2 directors based in Transport Minister Chris Grayling's consituency, and which doesn't appear to have tendered for that £14m public contract. "Dodgy" does not even begin to do the situation justice. "Banana Republic Parliamentarian Monarchy", maybe.. Much more profiteering on the back of taxpayers' hard-earned to follow with Brexit, and max profits to be had with no deal-Brexit. Zero surprise whatsoever here (alright, maybe just a smidgeon: about how brazen they're being with it). Edited December 31, 2018 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 7 hours ago, apelike said: What basic functions are you talking about and is it anywhere near the 750+ you state? Literally anything you can think of. Seriously. To function we will need practically all of it. Taking a couple of examples. Remember there are hundreds. 1. Universities and students. Our own city is home to thousands of EU students. There are tens of thousands of U.K. students in the EU studying on exchange. We have numerous research agreements and projects with EU universities. Much of this is facilitated by the EU 2. The permission for U.K. trawlers to operate in EU waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Looking good. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46720323 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ez8004 said: Looking good. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46720323 Nice, straight out of The Donald's narrative style ("very massive deal": ) ; even managed to shoehorn a bit of jingoism with an appeal to WW2 in there. Not a shadow of interference in domestic UK affairs by a foreign head of state, there, no Sir. And all that sovereignty and control taken back from the EU, to be handed to The Donald, hog-tied and with a cherry on top, "or else". Brexiteers must be lapping it up. Edited December 31, 2018 by L00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 33 minutes ago, ez8004 said: Looking good. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46720323 So basically crash out, take a massive economic hit while enjoying a few measly weeks of taking back control before handing it all to Donald Trump on a plate. Liam Fox will need a lot of clean-up wipes this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 2 hours ago, L00b said: Not a shadow of interference in domestic UK affairs by a foreign head of state, there, no Sir. And all that sovereignty and control taken back from the EU, to be handed to The Donald, hog-tied and with a cherry on top, "or else". Brexiteers must be lapping it up. Apparently it's fine as long as it's not the EU.... Something... something... Sovereignty! 1 hour ago, I1L2T3 said: So basically crash out, take a massive economic hit while enjoying a few measly weeks of taking back control before handing it all to Donald Trump on a plate. The start of the many humiliations the UK will face with each trade deal... India, for example, is asking for 200k visas... so much for immigration control too eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 18 hours ago, taxman said: The government has given £14million of taxpayers money to a company to run extra ferries in the event of a No Deal Brexit....unfortunately the company appears to a shell with no assets and no ships. When asked the CEO of the mysterios brand new company with no assets declined to give details on which ships it planned to use for the service, saying the information was "commercially sensitive". Sounds like money siphoned off to chums rather than proper established freight companies. A contract for something which the government insists won't happen, connected to a project consisting entirely of fantasies and delusions, being awarded to a ferry operation which doesn't exist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Magilla said: Apparently it's fine as long as it's not the EU.... Something... something... Sovereignty! The start of the many humiliations the UK will face with each trade deal... India, for example, is asking for 200k visas... so much for immigration control too eh Errm, having a set number of visas and the ability to apply conditions to the holders of said visas is control isn't it?? Nobody apart from moron extreme right wingers actually thought we will be closing all the doors and pulling up the drawbridge. Control is the ability to decide who, what, how many and on what grounds. A system that many other developed countries all over the world have - something we currently lacking under EU open freedom of movement. I am no brexiteer but you can hardly be critical of a system that other countries have been doing for decades. If India is asking for 200k visas as part of the agreement then good for them - equally we can either disagree, amend the number or set the terms. It's called negotiation. The trade deal is just that. A deal. Bartering. Agreement. Whatever you want to call it. You scratch my back I scratch yours etc. Its how it always works. Again, nobody, with exception of the moron extreme right wingers, actually thinks that we can negotiate a deal without giving some concessions Edited December 31, 2018 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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