The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[Lockdoctor]

13 minutes ago, Longcol said:

It's the "democratic people" who will suffer the consequences though.

Parliament agreed when they sanctioned the 2016 EU referendum vote to allow the democratic people decide whether they wanted to leave or remain in the EU.  The democratic people  might also benefit from the consequences  of leaving the EU.  No body knows whether the democratic people will suffer or benefit in the long term after the UK leave the EU.

[andyofborg]

1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said:

Why does it seem like a con to you?  Do you expect business  people to do preparation work for a no Brexit deal free of charge?

by and large, yes

 

clearly, there are some items, such as arranging extra ferry routes which need to be arranged earlier and in these situations it's quite right that the government pays some of the costs associated in setting up new routes or increasing the number of sailings on existing routes.

 

 

 

[Lockdoctor]

1 minute ago, andyofborg said:

by and large, yes

 

clearly, there are some items, such as arranging extra ferry routes which need to be arranged earlier and in these situations it's quite right that the government pays some of the costs associated in setting up new routes or increasing the number of sailings on existing routes.

 

 

 

No sure what your point is because the new company have stated they will be up and running before the end of March. The UK will leave the EU at the end of March.

[tinfoilhat]

2 hours ago, Lockdoctor said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/31/brexit-ferry-firm-seaborne-says-it-will-be-up-and-running-before-end-of-march

Sounds okay to me.

 

“Seaborne Freight will not be a ship owner, we are chartering in ships,” he told the Guardian. “It’s a unique combination of seafaring, City and finance and ferry industry experience, decades of it. This is not a startup. We’re all old dogs at this.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/31/brexit-ferry-firm-seaborne-says-it-will-be-up-and-running-before-end-of-march

No, it sounds all above board. Government needs to charter to ships so goes to a shipping company with no ships who will then charter some ships. 

12 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

No sure what your point is because the new company have stated they will be up and running before the end of March. The UK will leave the EU at the end of March.

Do you remember when G4S (who at least had a track record of sorts) said they could supply all the security for the olympics in 2012, couldn’t and we had to bring thousands of servicemen and women to fill the gap? And they had years to sort that out!

[Lockdoctor]

3 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

No, it sounds all above board. Government needs to charter to ships so goes to a shipping company with no ships who will then charter some ships. 

They also need to have a port to sail the ships to and from.  The new company are preparing Ramsgate port to accommodate the chartered ferries. It makes more sense for a new company to charter ferries due to the uncertain  circumstances.  In the future the new company might buy their own ferries, if there is a no Brexit deal.  If there is a Brexit deal then the new company won't have wasted money on buying new ferries which there won't be a need for.

[RJRB]

22 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

Parliament agreed when they sanctioned the 2016 EU referendum vote to allow the democratic people decide whether they wanted to leave or remain in the EU.  The democratic people  might also benefit from the consequences  of leaving the EU.  No body knows whether the democratic people will suffer or benefit in the long term after the UK leave the EU.

The democratic people voted to leave but apparently had no idea what this decision might mean.

But they had great faith that their political leaders and Civil Servants  would sort out the detail because Johnson,Gove,Fox,Farage and others were all in favour.

However just like the Brexit voters,they recognised that the job was beyond them,so decided to sit on the sidelines so that someone else took the flak,and then they could emerge in due course,without blame for the mess created.Ha 😂 

So it’s time enough for the democratic people to say enough of this charade,and exercise their democratic right to democratically say let’s have an opportunity to decide whether we now want Brexit.

The undemocratic people now fear that the game is up and No Brexit is a real option.

 

[tinfoilhat]

33 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said:

They also need to have a port to sail the ships to and from.  The new company are preparing Ramsgate port to accommodate the chartered ferries. It makes more sense for a new company to charter ferries due to the uncertain  circumstances.  In the future the new company might buy their own ferries, if there is a no Brexit deal.  If there is a Brexit deal then the new company won't have wasted money on buying new ferries which there won't be a need for.

Ramsgates port is old and they haven’t had freight moving through there since 2013, it’s too small ormodern vessels apparently.

 

Why aren’t we using an existing company rather than a middle man? Why are they using ramsgate rather than a dozen or so more suitable Ports? I mean it’s only £14m but it’s going to look like another public balls up to go with another bunch of public balls ups by this most inept of governments.

[Lockdoctor]

2 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Ramsgates port is old and they haven’t had freight moving through there since 2013, it’s too small ormodern vessels apparently.

 

Why aren’t we using an existing company rather than a middle man? Why are they using ramsgate rather than a dozen or so more suitable Ports? I mean it’s only £14m but it’s going to look like another public balls up to go with another bunch of public balls ups by this most inept of governments.

2013 was only 6 years ago.  They plan to dredge Ramsgate  so it can accommodate the ferries.  Existing ports most likely will be at full capacity, if a no deal Brexit results in hold ups in ports.  Existing companies have a business structure based on the UK remaining in the EU.  How do you know the new company will not be able to deliver what they are stating they can deliver?

47 minutes ago, RJRB said:

The democratic people voted to leave but apparently had no idea what this decision might mean.

But they had great faith that their political leaders and Civil Servants  would sort out the detail because Johnson,Gove,Fox,Farage and others were all in favour.

However just like the Brexit voters,they recognised that the job was beyond them,so decided to sit on the sidelines so that someone else took the flak,and then they could emerge in due course,without blame for the mess created.Ha 😂 

So it’s time enough for the democratic people to say enough of this charade,and exercise their democratic right to democratically say let’s have an opportunity to decide whether we now want Brexit.

The undemocratic people now fear that the game is up and No Brexit is a real option.

 

An embarrassing post even by your own low standards. The only people complaining about a No  Brexit deal  are people such as yourself who voted to remain and still haven't respected the decision the democratic people made. 

[RJRB]

And so you should be embarrassed 😳 

And I’m not complaining about a No Brexit Deal(I’m all for that)it’s a No Deal Brexit that is the problem.

Edited December 31, 2018 by RJRB

[tinfoilhat]

1 minute ago, Lockdoctor said:

2013 was only 6 years ago.  They plan to dredge Ramsgate  so it can accommodate the ferries.  Existing ports most likely will be at full capacity, if a no deal Brexit results in hold ups in ports.  Existing companies have a business structure based on the UK remaining in the EU.  How do you know the new company will not be able to deliver what they are stating they can deliver?

We’re they planning on dredging before or after march? Who is dredging it? Who is paying for it? How do you know existing ports are at full capacity. Dover might be be I’m pretty sure Felixstowe isn’t - it’s just been extended, I’m fairly sure harwich and Portsmouth aren’t at capacity either. Existing companies have spent two years working out how to manage brexit - even mine has - and I’m sure cross channel operations are better equipped than me. How do you know that company can deliver? Given we are an island nation how on earth have we managed to sort a deal with a new company and not an existing one.

 

If you at big on trusting people with no track record I’ve some magic democratic beans I can sell you for way less than £14m. Failing that, what about a little wager. I bet, in the event of a no deal brexit, this whole thing will fall on its face and the government will have to look elsewhere. Let’s say £14 donation to the charity of the winners choice?