The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

[tinfoilhat]

35 minutes ago, hauxwell said:

We could see if the Chinses want to buy our meat.  A few years ago various food items increased in price and I read that this was due to a rapidly growing middle class emerging in China, there was a demand for British red meat and other goods.  

This was as I said a few years ago and things may have changed since them.

 

 

They'd get lamb from NZ surely. Far less hassle to transport from NZ than the UK.

[tzijlstra]

Going back to Universities (and the letter issued by leading HE folks). Academics are already running, they started as soon as Brexit hit. 

 

That loss isn't measured in money, it is measured in knowledge. The UK is experiencing a massive brain-drain already. A friend who organises 'knowledge exchange' for Graphene in the Netherlands commented that if Brexit had been 10 years earlier, Graphene would be considered a Dutch invention. It went to the Brits because the Uni of Manchester managed to organise the funding.

 

Estimated income for Graphene to the UK? Billions. Now? Not so much.

[apelike]

1 hour ago, tzijlstra said:

The UK is experiencing a massive brain-drain already. A friend who organises 'knowledge exchange' for Graphene in the Netherlands commented that if Brexit had been 10 years earlier, Graphene would be considered a Dutch invention. It went to the Brits because the Uni of Manchester managed to organise the funding.

 

Estimated income for Graphene to the UK? Billions. Now? Not so much.

Graphene is not an invention and the actual Nobel prize went to two Russians (them again) for their work in the rediscovery and isolation of one of its forms at the Manchester Uni. Manchester Uni in a sense didnt fund the research either as it was almost a serendipitous discovery that they made after their normal UNI work in a Fridy night experiments session. Nothing actually went to the Brits either.. 

 

As for the estimated loss to the UK of £billions that is just hype as it could not be patented by the Uni and it potential to make money seems limited.

 

Since then the EU have jumped on the bandwagon with its €1 billion Graphene Flagship Initiative. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene_Flagship

Edited January 4, 2019 by apelike

[Penistone999]

6 hours ago, L00b said:

True. But unlike some on here, I'd give them a second vote about it.

 

How about you?

We have already had a vote on weather to leave or stay . Any  future vote should only be a choice of May`s surrender deal or No deal .

[ez8004]

4 hours ago, tzijlstra said:

Going back to Universities (and the letter issued by leading HE folks). Academics are already running, they started as soon as Brexit hit. 

 

That loss isn't measured in money, it is measured in knowledge. The UK is experiencing a massive brain-drain already. A friend who organises 'knowledge exchange' for Graphene in the Netherlands commented that if Brexit had been 10 years earlier, Graphene would be considered a Dutch invention. It went to the Brits because the Uni of Manchester managed to organise the funding.

 

Estimated income for Graphene to the UK? Billions. Now? Not so much.

I think the income from graphene is severely limited due to fundamental technology and not a brain drain as such.  I don't think they can mass produce the stuff properly yet.

3 hours ago, apelike said:

Graphene is not an invention and the actual Nobel prize went to two Russians (them again) for their work in the rediscovery and isolation of one of its forms at the Manchester Uni. Manchester Uni in a sense didnt fund the research either as it was almost a serendipitous discovery that they made after their normal UNI work in a Fridy night experiments session. Nothing actually went to the Brits either.. 

 

As for the estimated loss to the UK of £billions that is just hype as it could not be patented by the Uni and it potential to make money seems limited.

 

Since then the EU have jumped on the bandwagon with its €1 billion Graphene Flagship Initiative. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene_Flagship

You really need to stop posting if your information is tainted with hints of xenophobia.  The two Nobel prize winners you quoted ARE BRITISH.  Is your definition of nationality different to everyone else's?

Edited January 4, 2019 by ez8004

[apelike]

1 hour ago, ez8004 said:

You really need to stop posting if your information is tainted with hints of xenophobia.  The two Nobel prize winners you quoted ARE BRITISH.  Is your definition of nationality different to everyone else's?

And you really should stop posting nonsense as both are Russian emigre's. Andrei Geim was born in Sochi, Russia and Kostya Novoselov was born in Nizhny Tagil Russia and therefore are Russian by birth. Just because they have dual Russian and British citizenship doe not change that, although to be pedantic Andrei Geim is a Soviet born Dutch-British physicist. Maybe (yet again) check your facts before posting and trying to use it as a slur on the original poster. 

Edited January 4, 2019 by apelike

[ez8004]

46 minutes ago, apelike said:

And you really should stop posting nonsense as both are Russian emigre's. Andrei Geim was born in Sochi, Russia and Kostya Novoselov was born in Nizhny Tagil Russia and therefore are Russian by birth. Just because they have dual Russian and British citizenship doe not change that, although to be pedantic Andrei Geim is a Soviet born Dutch-British physicist. Maybe (yet again) check your facts before posting and trying to use it as a slur on the original poster. 

So how many generations does your family have to reside in this country to be considered British? Two? How about three?

 

Tell us all who can be considered British even if they hold British passports. Your assertions are clear for everyone to see. 

Edited January 5, 2019 by ez8004

[RJRB]

4 hours ago, Penistone999 said:

We have already had a vote on weather to leave or stay . Any  future vote should only be a choice of May`s surrender deal or No deal .

I must have missed the vote on weather,but I would have gone for sunny in the day time and necessary rain in the night.

That sounds about as probable as any form of Brexit where the benefits are greater than those currently enjoyed within the EU.

So if a final vote is possible,it must be on the Brexit version adopted by the leavers against Remain.

However I don’t think this will happen as we stumble towards a No Deal,which  anyone of sound mind would view as the worst of all options.

[tzijlstra]

11 hours ago, apelike said:

Graphene is not an invention and the actual Nobel prize went to two Russians (them again) for their work in the rediscovery and isolation of one of its forms at the Manchester Uni. Manchester Uni in a sense didnt fund the research either as it was almost a serendipitous discovery that they made after their normal UNI work in a Fridy night experiments session. Nothing actually went to the Brits either.. 

 

As for the estimated loss to the UK of £billions that is just hype as it could not be patented by the Uni and it potential to make money seems limited.

 

Since then the EU have jumped on the bandwagon with its €1 billion Graphene Flagship Initiative. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene_Flagship

I used Graphene as it is a prime example of the result of international collaboration and borderless work that occurs in academia. The fact that the EU is subsidising further development is, again, precisely why I highlighted Graphene in particular.

8 hours ago, ez8004 said:

I think the income from graphene is severely limited due to fundamental technology and not a brain drain as such.  I don't think they can mass produce the stuff properly yet.

You really need to stop posting if your information is tainted with hints of xenophobia.  The two Nobel prize winners you quoted ARE BRITISH.  Is your definition of nationality different to everyone else's?

As above, but also to add - mass production is irrelevant at this stage, it is the theoretical development that generates research funding. Once it becomes a manufactured entity the income generation opportunities for academics reduce significantly. See stainless steel for example.

 

re. The brain drain, it is happening, at pace.

[I1L2T3]

9 hours ago, apelike said:

And you really should stop posting nonsense as both are Russian emigre's. Andrei Geim was born in Sochi, Russia and Kostya Novoselov was born in Nizhny Tagil Russia and therefore are Russian by birth. Just because they have dual Russian and British citizenship doe not change that, although to be pedantic Andrei Geim is a Soviet born Dutch-British physicist. Maybe (yet again) check your facts before posting and trying to use it as a slur on the original poster. 

You tried to give the impression they were not British.

 

You were attempting to mislead, and that is crystal clear given the context of your post.

 

Very poor apelike