Top Cats Hat Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Not sure what practical difference this will make but it does show that there is not support for a no deal Brexit in any way, shape or form. So May's deal looks set to go down in flames and the percieved wisdom is that if she is defeated by 70 or more votes she won't be able to bring it back to Parliament in another shape. With no support for no deal and measures now being put in place to prevent it, that leaves only two options. Sack off Brexit altogether or another referendum. Either option will almost certainly require a vote of Parliament to approve the suspension of Article 50* to prevent running into March 29 before things are sorted. Those saying that we are leaving in March 2019 regardless are living in cloud cuckoo land. Parliament won't permit it and if given a choice, the people won't permit it either. (*word from Brussels is that officials on both sides are already discussing the means to halt Article 50 before March) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: Over time it has become obvious the whole thing has been carefully orchestrated by MPs to attempt to block Brexit and prevent the democratic wishes of the UK people being implemented. However leaving the EU without a deal is still the default position, if Parliament don't support Mrs May's withdrawal agreement. Leaving the EU has been written into law. It's very irresponsible and not in the national interest for MPs to prevent further spending in preparation of a no Brexit deal. If we’d gone down the EEA/EFTA route we’d be done and dusted, and looking forward to March without too much trepidation. If anybody is honest about it, it’s clear that the right wing of the Tory party has held the country to ransom. We’ve ended up in this mess because of their demands 11 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: Not sure what practical difference this will make but it does show that there is not support for a no deal Brexit in any way, shape or form. So May's deal looks set to go down in flames and the percieved wisdom is that if she is defeated by 70 or more votes she won't be able to bring it back to Parliament in another shape. With no support for no deal and measures now being put in place to prevent it, that leaves only two options. Sack off Brexit altogether or another referendum. Either option will almost certainly require a vote of Parliament to approve the suspension of Article 50* to prevent running into March 29 before things are sorted. Those saying that we are leaving in March 2019 regardless are living in cloud cuckoo land. Parliament won't permit it and if given a choice, the people won't permit it either. (*word from Brussels is that officials on both sides are already discussing the means to halt Article 50 before March) There can’t be a no deal because the damage inflicted would so great any MP that supported it would be unelectable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzijlstra Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: Over time it has become obvious the whole thing has been carefully orchestrated by MPs to attempt to block Brexit and prevent the democratic wishes of the UK people being implemented. However leaving the EU without a deal is still the default position, if Parliament don't support Mrs May's withdrawal agreement. Leaving the EU has been written into law. It's very irresponsible and not in the national interest for MPs to prevent further spending in preparation of a no Brexit deal. If you genuinely believe that, than you believe that the earth is flat. The past two years of economic stagnation could've been prevented if your theory was true. But carry on carrying on the torch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 so as well as Ramsgate not being ready for brexit, the mayor of Ostend says Ostend wont be ready too, and he wants bank guarantees in case the project fails Ostend wont be left to count the cost...more money going to the EU? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said: Not sure what practical difference this will make but it does show that there is not support for a no deal Brexit in any way, shape or form... Those saying that we are leaving in March 2019 regardless are living in cloud cuckoo land. Parliament won't permit it and if given a choice, the people won't permit it either. It was not much of a majority though was it..303 to 296 votes. According to the BBC: "There's a big problem facing members of Parliament who want to avoid a no-deal Brexit. They can't just show there is a majority in the House of Commons against no deal - they need to prove there is a majority in favour of an alternative outcome. That's because leaving the EU - with or without a deal - is currently the default" It then goes on to say... "But none of it, taken in isolation, will prevent the Article 50 clock ticking away until it stops at the end of March." Because of that alone the people will not get any say in the matter and nor should they. Edited January 8, 2019 by apelike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, apelike said: It was not much of a majority though was it..303 to 296 votes. Remind me of them massive majority in favour of brexit again.......................................................... Edited January 8, 2019 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Longcol said: Remind me of them massive majority in favour of brexit again.......................................................... OK... 1,269,501 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, apelike said: OK... 1,269,501 Is that with or without the 1m missing and disqualified ballot papers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, apelike said: OK... 1,269,501 And in percentage terms how much different is the referendum result to the 303 to 296 which you say "is not much of a majority"? Edited January 8, 2019 by Longcol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, I1L2T3 said: Is that with or without the 1m missing and disqualified ballot papers I think the results are calculated after the 26,033 rejected/disqualified ballot papers are taken off.. 1 minute ago, Longcol said: And in percentage terms how much different is the referendum result to the 303 to 296 which you say "is not much of a majority"? I'm sure you can work it out without me having to do it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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