Businesses - following your moral compass or breaking the law?

[tinfoilhat]

When the latest baker or guest house owner gets fined/sued for refusing gay people service, people rightly say "serves you right for being a bigot". They are breaking the law.

 

If memory serves though, people lost they're jobs when a BNP membership list was leaked. Playing devils advocate for a second, is that any better or worse than refusing someone whose "lifestyle" is at polar opposite to your religious beliefs?

 

I've been asked to supply equipment in the past to what I found out was a fairly extreme - in my view anyway - religious group. If I had refused them, would I have been breaking the law, but not broke the law if I had refused, say, the EDL the same stuff? I was asked to produce a flyer years back for strip club - I couldnt use stock images because using them in connection with the adult entertainment industry was not allowed.

 

I know laws are their for reason but how big is the grey area around them?

Edited July 23, 2018 by tinfoilhat

[choogling]

When the latest baker or guest house owner gets fined/sued for refusing gay people service, people rightly say "serves you right for being a bigot". They are breaking the law.

 

If memory serves though, people lost they're jobs when a BNP membership list was leaked. Playing devils advocate for a second, is that any better or worse than refusing someone whose "lifestyle" is at polar opposite to your religious beliefs?

 

I've been asked to supply equipment in the past to what I found out was a fairly extreme - in my view anyway - religious group. If I had refused them, would I have been breaking the law, but not broke the law if I had refused, say, the EDL the same stuff? I was asked to produce a flyer years back for strip club - I could use stock images because using them in connection with the adult entertainment industry was not allowed.

 

I know laws are their for reason but how big is the grey area around them?

I'm with the baker and guest house owner on this one, a business should be allowed to serve or not serve anyone without giving a reason just like a pub landlord can.

[SnailyBoy]

Are you suggesting that sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice in your example?

 

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I'm with the baker and guest house owner on this one, a business should be allowed to serve or not serve anyone without giving a reason just like a pub landlord can.

 

So when the same sex couple ask why they're refused service, what should the guest house owner say?

[choogling]

Are you suggesting that sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice in your example?

 

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So when the same sex couple ask why they're refused service, what should the guest house owner say?

 

sorry I don't want to serve you goodbye

[SnailyBoy]

sorry I don't want to serve you goodbye

 

Interesting business model.

 

Let's say an heterosexual black couple is refused service, what does the guest house owner say when asked why?

[tinfoilhat]

Are you suggesting that sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice in your example?

 

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So when the same sex couple ask why they're refused service, what should the guest house owner say?

 

I'M not suggesting that but I know plenty of religious groups think that.

[melthebell]

I'm with the baker and guest house owner on this one, a business should be allowed to serve or not serve anyone without giving a reason just like a pub landlord can.

thats a completely different arguement, generally pub landlords DONT base who they wont serve on a persons lifestyle or sexual persuasion.

 

Its normally based on 2 things.

 

1: license laws, ie:- not selling to people who look, act already under the influence, or may be driving.

2: likelyhood of trouble, thats why occasionly one may "ban" football tops, or trainers, or large groups of say one sex (like all male groups)

[tinfoilhat]

thats a completely different arguement, generally pub landlords DONT base who they wont serve on a persons lifestyle or sexual persuasion.

 

Its normally based on 2 things.

 

1: license laws, ie:- not selling to people who look, act already under the influence, or may be driving.

2: likelyhood of trouble, thats why occasionly one may "ban" football tops, or trainers, or large groups of say one sex (like all male groups)

 

Well they might think a group of young black men might cause trouble and refuse to serve them.

 

Take your pick there Mel racism or ageism

 

Why can pubs and clubs get away with it?

[SnailyBoy]

I'M not suggesting that but I know plenty of religious groups think that.

 

That's why the business that think that end up in court.

[choogling]

thats a completely different arguement, generally pub landlords DONT base who they wont serve on a persons lifestyle or sexual persuasion.

 

Its normally based on 2 things.

 

1: license laws, ie:- not selling to people who look, act already under the influence, or may be driving.

2: likelyhood of trouble, thats why occasionly one may "ban" football tops, or trainers, or large groups of say one sex (like all male groups)

 

they do not have to serve anyone.