Alex Jones, attack on all our liberty?

[Halibut]

Personally I cant stand the man. I used to think he was ok and I accept he has been right about some things but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Banning him though is a big mistake.

Pastor Martin Niemöller hit the nail on the head.........

 

I think it's absolutely the right outcome. What's your view on the Sandy Hook parents suing him?

 

Your Niemoller comment shows a massively deep lack of understanding on your part.

 

I'm pretty sure a scumbag like Alex Jones grossly insulting the grieving parents of murdered children and using the Internet to foment hatred wasn't who he had in mind when he wrote those words.

 

In August, reported the New York Times, Jones was seeking $100,000 dollars court costs from the Pozner family, whose son Noah was murdered at Sandy Hook. The family have been forced to move seven times in fives years, by Jones's followers relentless harassment and death threats.

 

To quote from the piece directly - ''Alex Jones is seeking money from the parents of a murdered child because of a series of lies that have cruelly compounded the family’s suffering since the initial tragedy—lies that Jones, himself, has spread.''

If there was a law that covered it, I'd love to see him serve time for it*. As things stand I think social media Companies have every right to ban people who promote hate.

 

* Seeing him bankrupt would be a halfway decent outcome though.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/08/the-lasting-trauma-of-alex-joness-lies/566573/

Edited October 2, 2018 by Halibut

[muddycoffee]

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* Seeing him bankrupt would be a halfway decent outcome though.

I don't think that bankruptcy is that much of a punishment to a wealthy American. Even the current president has been bankrupt more than once apparently.

A famous person with a million loyal followers like Alex Jones could be up and back on his feet in no time with another one of his 24 hour appeal campaigns.

 

There is good evidence that Jones is supported so some extent by President Trump, which is why he defends Trump 100% on his broadcasts. He's been on Info Wars several times and I suspect if Trump lives for many years after leaving office he may go on Info Wars again.

[26b-6]

The problem is who determines fake news.

 

Anyway,I have listened to Alex Jones lots and at times he makes a lot of sense.

 

You can either have freedom of speech or you can't.

 

This is the biggest move by the establishment ever!

 

If this banning is upheld then a dangerous precedent is set.

 

What is next is a fair question.

 

We will soon be walking the streets scared to speak of anything controversial.

 

A prison without bars so to speak.

 

Folk already are afraid to speak their minds, this is why the far- right are now martyrs of free-speech movement.

 

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Private businesses have never claimed to be a channel for free speech.

 

And free speech never meant speech free of consequences.

 

There is no 'upholding' nobody has any legal right to use those channels, they can ban whoever they like.

 

Yes they have, Twitter, Facebook and so on have all claimed to platforms for freedom of expression.

[Top Cats Hat]

 

this is why the far- right are now martyrs of free-speech movement.

 

Is that written down in a book somewhere, or is it just you saying it?

[26b-6]

Personally I cant stand the man. I used to think he was ok and I accept he has been right about some things but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Banning him though is a big mistake.

Pastor Martin Niemöller hit the nail on the head.........

 

We're living in 1984 on steroids. "The lefts idea of tolerance is intolerance, their idea of freedom is facism, their idea of free speech is silencing free speech, the left and the rights idea of the truth is lies. War is Peace....and so on..."

 

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Free speech within the law is allowed and nobody is banning it. It’s you who needs to educate yourself on what the legal definition of free speech is and stop defining it as what you think free speech should be.

 

This is exactly the problem with UK law and so-called 'hate-speech' The motives of an expression don’t matter, if you’re being offensive just to be offensive, that is still your right. If you want your right to free-speech protecting, then you must defend others.

[Top Cats Hat]

 

This is exactly the problem with UK law and so-called 'hate-speech' The motives of an expression don’t matter, if you’re being offensive just to be offensive, that is still your right.

 

It's not actually, it is against the law and quite rightly too.

 

With the total mess this country is in, are you seriously more concerned about your right to be able to use hate speech than anything else?

 

You seriously need to grow up!

[26b-6]

It's not actually, it is against the law and quite rightly too.

 

With the total mess this country is in, are you seriously more concerned about your right to be able to use hate speech than anything else?

 

You seriously need to grow up!

 

Rights apply to everyone. Even people we despise. The loss of freedoms of expression, the exchange of ideas, thoughts and beliefs in which we're free to challenge and question is the cornerstone of any healthy democratic free-society - But yet you believe this is nothing to be concerned about? The loss of free speech is a blessing to those that wish do us harm. What exactly is hate speech?

Edited October 3, 2018 by 26b-6

[tinfoilhat]

It's not actually, it is against the law and quite rightly too.

 

With the total mess this country is in, are you seriously more concerned about your right to be able to use hate speech than anything else?

 

You seriously need to grow up!

 

Well no, being offensive and hate speech are two totally different things, as is telling lies or slandering people like Alex Jones does. So that's three separate things I suppose.

[Top Cats Hat]

 

But yet you believe this is nothing to be concerned about?

 

What is of concern is that there seems to be a tiny but vocal minority which wants to take the clock back to the days when black and Asian people, women, gays and lesbians and the disabled where openly abused in society, the media and popular culture.

 

The fact that this is no longer the case is a cause for celebration. It is the mark of living in a grown up, modern society.

 

It is 2018, not 1958.

 

Get over it.

[26b-6]

What is of concern is that there seems to be a tiny but vocal minority which wants to take the clock back to the days when black and Asian people, women, gays and lesbians and the disabled where openly abused in society, the media and popular culture.

 

The fact that this is no longer the case is a cause for celebration. It is the mark of living in a grown up, modern society.

 

It is 2018, not 1958.

 

Get over it.

 

Just as I thought, it’s any speech you don’t want to hear. Your concerns and opinions do not supersede others. People have concerns and opinions about an array of issues. And you believe you have the right to silence them, well I’m afraid you don’t. Get over it.