Guest sibon Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, Tyke02 said: The appropriate comparison is not two days know versus the whole of WWII. I expect that yesterday the UK suffered more damage than a day in the early part of WWII, before things really escalated. The comparisons with World War II are rather silly in my opinion. They also make the people using them look silly.. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/20/heatwave-led-to-london-firefighters-busiest-day-since-second-world-war?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Chekhov said: Say what you want, modern society is wimpy, they overreact to everything. 1 hour ago, sibon said: <snipped, a load of ballcocks about the glory of getting young men killed> I will bow you your obviously superior knowledge of overreacting. Now, who was it that was accusing me of editing quotes so they say something they never did ? I plead innocent to that, but Sibon is, without any doubt, guilty as charged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tyke02 said: The appropriate comparison is not two days now versus the whole of WWII. I expect that yesterday the UK suffered more damage than a day in the early part of WWII, before things really escalated. So, yesterday you reckon the UK suffered more damage than it did in WWII before WWII really got started. Well that's possible, but unlikely because very early on Britain got itself on a "total war" footing, which was exactly what they should have been doing. It was far earlier than Germany which only did so after Stalingrad, i.e. early 1943. So the economic damage resulting from WWII was being done from the start. An interesting local example was the the LNER were planning to electrify the Woodhead line and in fact had already started doing so, but that got cancelled because of the war. Now were else have we had untold economic damage, much of which will not show up for years..... 59 minutes ago, sibon said: The comparisons with World War II are rather silly in my opinion. They also make the people using them look silly.. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/20/heatwave-led-to-london-firefighters-busiest-day-since-second-world-war?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other I disagree entirely, they throw into sharp focus what a load of wet blankets the population has turned into. Edited July 20, 2022 by Chekhov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) Europe is experiencing hot weather. It's summer! Down in Australia, they are experiencing cold weather. It's winter! Why do Europeans always assume they are the World? It goes back to Victorian colonialism. Coldest start to winter in decades for eastern Australia with ...https://www.theguardian.com › australia-news › jun › a... Jun 16, 2022 — Canberra, well known for its frosty winters, remained below 12.7 degrees, its coldest start to winter since 1964. Hobart, the state capital most ... Alice Springs freezes through longest streak of sub-zero days ...https://www.abc.net.au › news › alice-springs-record-br... 6 days ago — The temperature in Alice Springs has dropped below zero degrees Celsius for 12 consecutive mornings, beating the previous record set in July ... Brisbane hits second-coldest daily maximum temperature ...https://www.abc.net.au › news › qld-cold-weather-bom-... Jul 5, 2022 — Brisbane's coldest-ever maximum was 12C, set in July 2000. It was colder than Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Hobart at one point on Tuesday, ... Weather: Sub-zero temps on coldest morning in 2022, withhttps://www.stuff.co.nz › national › weather-news › weath... Jun 22, 2022 — The -3.6C at Christchurch Airport was the lowest temperature there so far in 2022, as was the -1.4C at Hamilton Airport. The early Wednesday low ... Weather: Coldest day of year forecast as southerly change ...https://www.newshub.co.nz › new-zealand › 2022/06 Temperatures are forecast to drop across New Zealand as a cold change sweeps up the country. On Saturday, northerly winds across the top of New ... NZ weather: Temperatures drop well below zero, one town hitshttps://www.newshub.co.nz › new-zealand › 2022/06 Jun 22, 2022 — NZ weather: Temperatures drop well below zero, one town hits -10C as ... 'Brrr': Winter solstice brings coldest temperatures for 2022. Otago town drops to -11C as cold weather continues around NZhttps://www.1news.co.nz › 2022/06/23 › otago-town-dro... Jun 23, 2022 — Middlemarch in Otago reached -11.2˚C this morning, the coldest temperature at a non-high elevation climate station so far this winter. New Zealand shivers on coldest morning of the year - NZ Heraldhttps://www.nzherald.co.nz › nz › new-zealand-shivers-on... May 11, 2022 — The Desert Rd recorded the coldest temperature in the country with a frigid –4.5 degrees this morning, and Taumarunui followed close behind ... Weather: Cold start to the shortest day of the year - NZ Heraldhttps://www.nzherald.co.nz › nz › weather-cold-start-to-th... Jun 20, 2022 — A timely, cold start across Aotearoa New Zealand as we welcome the winter solstice. In fact, the -7.1° in Ranfurly is the coldest temp so ... Freezing winter weather: Sub-zero temperatures across ... - RNZhttps://www.rnz.co.nz › news › national › freezing-wint... Jun 23, 2022 — Thursday was the coldest day recorded by MetService so far in 2022. But Stewart Island was on a relatively balmy 8C at 6am - the same as Napier ... Cold? More chilly nights are on the way | RNZ Newshttps://www.rnz.co.nz › news › national › cold-more-ch... Jun 21, 2022 — A timely, cold start across Aotearoa New Zealand as we welcome the winter solstice. In fact, the -7.1° in Ranfurly is the coldest temp so ... Edited July 20, 2022 by trastrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, trastrick said: Europe is experiencing hot weather. It's summer! Down in Australia, they are experiencing cold weather. It's winter! Why do Europeans always assume they are the World? It goes back to Victorian colonialism. Coldest start to winter in decades for eastern Australia with ...https://www.theguardian.com › australia-news › jun › a... Jun 16, 2022 — Canberra, well known for its frosty winters, remained below 12.7 degrees, its coldest start to winter since 1964. Hobart, the state capital most ... Alice Springs freezes through longest streak of sub-zero days ...https://www.abc.net.au › news › alice-springs-record-br... 6 days ago — The temperature in Alice Springs has dropped below zero degrees Celsius for 12 consecutive mornings, beating the previous record set in July ... Brisbane hits second-coldest daily maximum temperature ...https://www.abc.net.au › news › qld-cold-weather-bom-... Jul 5, 2022 — Brisbane's coldest-ever maximum was 12C, set in July 2000. It was colder than Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide and Hobart at one point on Tuesday, ... Weather: Sub-zero temps on coldest morning in 2022, withhttps://www.stuff.co.nz › national › weather-news › weath... Jun 22, 2022 — The -3.6C at Christchurch Airport was the lowest temperature there so far in 2022, as was the -1.4C at Hamilton Airport. The early Wednesday low ... Weather: Coldest day of year forecast as southerly change ...https://www.newshub.co.nz › new-zealand › 2022/06 Temperatures are forecast to drop across New Zealand as a cold change sweeps up the country. On Saturday, northerly winds across the top of New ... NZ weather: Temperatures drop well below zero, one town hitshttps://www.newshub.co.nz › new-zealand › 2022/06 Jun 22, 2022 — NZ weather: Temperatures drop well below zero, one town hits -10C as ... 'Brrr': Winter solstice brings coldest temperatures for 2022. Otago town drops to -11C as cold weather continues around NZhttps://www.1news.co.nz › 2022/06/23 › otago-town-dro... Jun 23, 2022 — Middlemarch in Otago reached -11.2˚C this morning, the coldest temperature at a non-high elevation climate station so far this winter. New Zealand shivers on coldest morning of the year - NZ Heraldhttps://www.nzherald.co.nz › nz › new-zealand-shivers-on... May 11, 2022 — The Desert Rd recorded the coldest temperature in the country with a frigid –4.5 degrees this morning, and Taumarunui followed close behind ... Weather: Cold start to the shortest day of the year - NZ Heraldhttps://www.nzherald.co.nz › nz › weather-cold-start-to-th... Jun 20, 2022 — A timely, cold start across Aotearoa New Zealand as we welcome the winter solstice. In fact, the -7.1° in Ranfurly is the coldest temp so ... Freezing winter weather: Sub-zero temperatures across ... - RNZhttps://www.rnz.co.nz › news › national › freezing-wint... Jun 23, 2022 — Thursday was the coldest day recorded by MetService so far in 2022. But Stewart Island was on a relatively balmy 8C at 6am - the same as Napier ... Cold? More chilly nights are on the way | RNZ Newshttps://www.rnz.co.nz › news › national › cold-more-ch... Jun 21, 2022 — A timely, cold start across Aotearoa New Zealand as we welcome the winter solstice. In fact, the -7.1° in Ranfurly is the coldest temp so ... The climate change emergency zealots will have you..... I am surprised they did not lay into me when I pointed out that having winters two degrees warmer would work very well. Whilst it is undeniable that a two degree rise in temp would adversely affect many millions, many millions would also benefit, in fact if the whole world was two degrees warmer massive areas (e.g. of Siberia) would then become habitable. Anyone would think human beings are not the most adaptable creatures to ever live on the planet. Just to clarify, I am in favour of reasonable measures to combat possible man made global warming, in fact we had a Solar system fitted on our house for which we received absolutely zero financial help and even had to pay the VAT. But I am not in favour of unattainable nett zero targets which will cost an absolute fortune and will do huge harm to the economy and society. They are almost pointless anyway whilst China and India build and operate hundreds of coal power stations Edited July 20, 2022 by Chekhov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) Just now, Chekhov said: The climate change emergency zealots will have you..... I am surprised they did not lay into me when I pointed out that having winters two degrees warmer would work very well. Whilst it is undeniable that a two degree rise in temp would adversely affect many millions, many millions would also benefit, in fact if the whole world was two degrees warmer massive areas (e.g. of Siberia) would then become habitable. Anyone would think human beings are not the most adaptable creatures to ever live on the planet. You'll find people thriving above the Arctic Circle, in the Sahara, and in the hottest Equatorial Forests. The eccos are determined to regulate the Earth's temperature 50 years from now! Good luck with that! Discaimer: It is very hot and humid where I live in the Dominican Republic. All the time. Nobody is dying from the heat! Edited July 20, 2022 by trastrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie Bynnol Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chekhov said: The climate change emergency zealots will have you..... I am surprised they did not lay into me when I pointed out that having winters two degrees warmer would work very well. Whilst it is undeniable that a two degree rise in temp would adversely affect many millions, many millions would also benefit, in fact if the whole world was two degrees warmer massive areas (e.g. of Siberia) would then become habitable. Anyone would think human beings are not the most adaptable creatures to ever live on the planet. Your reply above was in response to weather reports provided by trastrick. Climate is not the same thing at all. Your lack of geographical, geological and climatological understanding is staggering. World management by map. Consider that paradise Siberia and its sterile, acidic ancient shield rocks, underlying permafrost, lack of soil and swings in temperature of 80 degrees(what difference would 2 degrees make) between summer and winter, lack of water, winter darkness etc. Next you will suggest that the population of the Maldives or Mablethorpe should be sent there and live in Camps where they can thrive on digging things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, Annie Bynnol said: Next you will suggest that the population of the Maldives or Mablethorpe should be sent there and live in Camps where they can thrive on digging things up. Lol You have some downright weird thoughts buzzing around in your head, Annie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 43 minutes ago, Annie Bynnol said: Your reply above was in response to weather reports provided by trastrick. Climate is not the same thing at all. Your lack of geographical, geological and climatological understanding is staggering. World management by map. Consider that paradise Siberia and its sterile, acidic ancient shield rocks, underlying permafrost, lack of soil and swings in temperature of 80 degrees(what difference would 2 degrees make) between summer and winter, lack of water, winter darkness etc. Next you will suggest that the population of the Maldives or Mablethorpe should be sent there and live in Camps where they can thrive on digging things up. My basic point was that if the climate is warming up some will lose out but some will benefit, and that is undeniable. Climate Emergency zealots will go Ape over that, but it's true. I would have thought that, on balance, Sheffield may even benefit because we'd get slightly warmer winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyke02 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Chekhov said: So, yesterday you reckon the UK suffered more damage than it did in WWII before WWII really got started. You missed the point, I was pointing out that you were comparing the impact of events over a day or two now with the total impacts of a multi year conflict to make your comparisons. That's nonsensical on many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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