El Cid Posted February 23, 2023 Author Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Chekhov said: It's not just in my head. We have a load of "experts", most of whom (certainly those on the MSM and those listened to by the government) telling us how bad things could be (the implication being how bad things will be). Exactly the same as what happened during Covid. The effects is COVID has been massive. Government debt, early retirement meaning a worker shortage etc. That is with a good vaccine, you think it would be better or the same without a vaccine? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 hours ago, trastrick said: Post of the day! For some, Doomsday is always just around the corner and if we can scare folk into giving up their freedoms, we can all make money! And stay in political power forever! Will they prevail? Not as long as the West has Free Speech and democratic elections. But they are working on that, starting in the schools. “The State knows what’s best for you!” Trust us! Another post of the day ! ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chekhov said: Really ? So which of these is different ? And I mean on an individually argued basis : We have a load of "experts", most of whom (certainly those on the MSM and those listened to by the government) telling us how bad things could be (implication will be). Exactly the same as what happened during Covid. Scientists are by their very nature over cautious. Exactly the same as what happened during Covid. The scientists are not really that bothered about the effects of their recommended policies on the economy, and even less bothered about the effects on people's personal freedoms. Exactly the same as what happened during Covid. We have a government saying "we will be led by the science" so they can abdicate responsibility for making any serious decisions (even though the science is not certain, particularly as to the long term effects of rising CO2 concentrations and how much we can do about it). Exactly the same as what happened during Covid. We have all of the MSM talking like climate change is a certainty and that Nett Zero is required with the implied assumption it will work, They also imply that anyone who disagrees with it is an unthinking crank. Exactly the same as what happened during Covid. All major political parties have more or less the same policy on Nett Zero, there is no option to vote against it. Exactly the same as what happened during Covid. They, the government and the MSM as well as the scientists, more or less ignore the massive cost (social as well as financial) of their nett zero policy. It's a case of whatever it costs, it does not matter, we will do it : TINA (there is no alternative). Exactly the same as what happened during Covid. Have you got an issue with covid or something? why didn’t you say so? Edited February 23, 2023 by makapaka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 hours ago, ads36 said: Yes. they are loons, - because it doesn't exist. it's just another thing that they've invented - so they can pretend there is a conspiracy to control us. if we wanted to reach net zero, at any cost, we could do that tomorrow*. That we're actually aiming for 2050 (or whatever) shows that the goal is moderated by reality/pragmatism. (*nevermind 'net zero', if we really wanted to, we could achieve 'true zero' - tomorrow) Exactly! The problem is the folks making the decisions, politicians, celebs, and half brainers like AlGore, Greta and the Hollywood crowd, have absolutely no intention of personally adopting the "sacrifice" required, so, while they will tell you they "feel your pain" they don't have to actually give up anything! Like Europe, actually financing Putin's War on Ukraine, because THEY don't intend to freeze in the dark! It's always, the liitle guy that has to "sacrifice", just like the COVID deal. But I agree, no "conspiracy", just Left wing politics as usual, in their unrelenting lust for political power, at any cost! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) On 23/02/2023 at 10:21, Chekhov said: I would be in favour of those (solar panels on as many roofs as possible anyway) The thing is Anna, the environmental Zealots are so illogical and inconsistent. One the one hand they want more people to use the trains, the most environmentally friendly form of transport, yet they are having a big battle to stop HS2 being built. They should be volunteering to work on it for free ! Tidal power is one of the best forms of renewable energy as it is more reliable, but the zealots oppose that because it will disrupt mud flats for wading birds on the River Severn. They say the world is heading for climate disaster and they're banging on about some wading birds ! ! The same could be said for their attitude to nuclear energy. Basically they want us all to stop travelling (esp flying or using cars), stop heating our homes to a comfortable level, stop eating meat etc etc. Well they can 'eff off because the great majority of people in this country do not want any of that and would not vote for it But what do you when all the political parties are barking up the same tree? That's the problem at the moment. Starmer will implement the same things given half a chance. And the Tories will simply say what the electorate want to hear, then do whatever suits them. So we won't have a choice. Of course the politicians and elite will make sure they are exempt from any regulations because they are too important to be inconvenienced... Democracy is a sham. Edited February 24, 2023 by Anna B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chekhov Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 17 hours ago, makapaka said: Have you got an issue with covid or something? why didn’t you say so? I note Magilla coudl not contradict what I said..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chekhov said: I note Magilla coudl not contradict what I said..... I did, quite easily, succinctly and accurately (despite your best efforts to go off on a tangent about Covid). Edited February 24, 2023 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 20 hours ago, trastrick said: Exactly! The problem is the folks making the decisions, politicians, celebs, and half brainers like AlGore, Greta and the Hollywood crowd, have absolutely no intention of personally adopting the "sacrifice" required, so, while they will tell you they "feel your pain" they don't have to actually give up anything! Like Europe, actually financing Putin's War on Ukraine, because THEY don't intend to freeze in the dark! It's always, the liitle guy that has to "sacrifice", just like the COVID deal. But I agree, no "conspiracy", just Left wing politics as usual, in their unrelenting lust for political power, at any cost! Lol Are you claiming that the British Tory government is left wing. Even our Labour opposition is right wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Organgrinder said: Are you claiming that the British Tory government is left wing. Even our Labour opposition is right wing. I’m only claiming that it’s always the little guy that has to “sacrifice” to maintain the status quo of the politicians and celebs who “social distance”themselves from the crap they subject everybody else to. Labels mean nothing to me! A conservative to me is one who has the gonads to run on Balancing the Budget aka paying for what you spend to get elected. Even if it means raising taxes, or cutting spending, or both. They have it both ways, spending and borrowing until they are out of office then who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, trastrick said: A conservative to me is one who has the gonads to run on Balancing the Budget aka paying for what you spend to get elected. So... the very thing you suspended all notion of, throughout the entirety of the Trump presidency! Quote Even if it means raising taxes, or cutting spending, or both. Sure... but only now, clearly... not when your messiah was spunking it away hand over fist: Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years: https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump Quote They have it both ways, spending and borrowing until they are out of office then who cares? Trump says he doesn't care about predicted US national debt explosion because ‘I won't be here’: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-us-national-debt-economy-spending-cuts-government-federal-tax-republicans-a8670046.html ...how embarrassing for you! Edited February 24, 2023 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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