Climate Change thread

[El Cid]

Here is a link to NASA

 

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

[trastrick]

6 hours ago, El Cid said:

Here is a link to NASA

 

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

That's a very informative chart!

[trastrick]

On 03/05/2023 at 13:52, El Cid said:

Here is a link to NASA

 

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

Do you think we can do anything about it?

 

Sea levels have been rising for thousands of years!

[El Cid]

2 hours ago, trastrick said:

Do you think we can do anything about it?

 

Sea levels have been rising for thousands of years!

It's happening faster now, it's the rate of change that is worrying.

It could cause forrest fires and floods. Rather like what we have seen in the news.

[trastrick]

Just now, El Cid said:

It's happening faster now, it's the rate of change that is worrying.

It could cause forrest fires and floods. Rather like what we have seen in the news.

Some worry about problems, some see challenges, and solutions.

 

Take another look the chart:

 

 

Some problems:

 

• About two billion people worldwide don’t have access to safe drinking water today (SDG Report 2022), and roughly half of the world’s population is experiencing severe water scarcity for at least part of the year (IPCC). These numbers are expected to increase, exacerbated by climate change and population growth (WMO).
   
• Only 0.5 per cent of water on Earth is useable and available freshwater – and climate change is dangerously affecting that supply. Over the past twenty years, terrestrial water storage – including soil moisture, snow and ice – has dropped at a rate of 1 cm per year, with major ramifications for water security (WMO).

Devastating floods in Pakistan

UNICEF

https://www.unicef.org › emergencies › devastating-fl...

 

Six months after unprecedented floods ravaged Pakistan, more than 10 million people living in flood-affected areas remain deprived of safe drinking water, ...

 

Flood Relief

 

"Dozens of countries and international institutions have pledged more than $9 billion to help Pakistan recover and rebuild following last year’s devastating floods, which environmentalists and scientists blamed on climate change.  - https://www.rferl.org/

 

"Nuclear national pride has come at a high cost. Pakistan’s nuclear weapons spending is estimated to be as much as $2 billion per year, if health and environmental costs are included. This represents a significant portion of its total military spending, which is approximately $10 billion. In 2022, the nearly six percent declared increase in military spending sharply contrasted with the 11 percent cut in spending on development".

 

Now look at that chart again!

 

See the flattening of the curve from around 1950 to 1995?

 

Attributed to dam projects!

 

Dam projects produce hydro elecricity, control flooding, collect fresh water for populations and agriculture, and that old standby "job creation"

 

Now if Pakistan could be forced to use that international aid to build dams, just IMAGINE! How it could help those millions upon millions of poor Pakistanis.

 

However the Greens are against dams for irrational reasons. And there's no interest from Western Leadership to change the status quo.

 

So the West will continue (to borrow money) to send to the Nuclear Regime, every couple of years they flood, and the local Generalissimos say thank you again.

 

But Imagine what a little applied common sense could do, and scaled up to other third world regions in similar dire straits.

 

Hopefully some day, someone will connect the dots!

 

[El Cid]

29 minutes ago, trastrick said:

 

Hopefully some day, someone will connect the dots!

 

We cannot agree to solve wars, so lesser things are impossible to solve.

People believe that hungry people in this country should have priority, not fixing other countries issues.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, El Cid said:

We cannot agree to solve wars, so lesser things are impossible to solve.

People believe that hungry people in this country should have priority, not fixing other countries issues.

Very true

But some people believe that hungry people in this country can be ignored too,  and that money could go to the those at the top who think they need some more.

 

[harvey19]

18 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

Very true

But some people believe that hungry people in this country can be ignored too,  and that money could go to the those at the top who think they need some more.

 

Do you know any hungry people in this country ?

[trastrick]

Just now, El Cid said:

We cannot agree to solve wars, so lesser things are impossible to solve.

I've learned that big man made problems, are the sum total of little man made problems.

 

Journey of 1000 miles begins with single step!

 

[Annie Bynnol]

24 minutes ago, trastrick said:

Some worry about problems, some see challenges, and solutions.

Take another look the chart:

Some problems:

About two billion people worldwide don’t have access to safe drinking water today (SDG Report 2022), and roughly half of the world’s population is experiencing severe water scarcity for at least part of the year (IPCC). These numbers are expected to increase, exacerbated by climate change and population growth (WMO).

Only 0.5 per cent of water on Earth is useable and available freshwater – and climate change is dangerously affecting that supply. Over the past twenty years, terrestrial water storage – including soil moisture, snow and ice – has dropped at a rate of 1 cm per year, with major ramifications for water security (WMO).

Devastating floods in Pakistan

UNICEF

https://www.unicef.org › emergencies › devastating-fl...

Six months after unprecedented floods ravaged Pakistan, more than 10 million people living in flood-affected areas remain deprived of safe drinking water, ...

Flood Relief

"Dozens of countries and international institutions have pledged more than $9 billion to help Pakistan recover and rebuild following last year’s devastating floods, which environmentalists and scientists blamed on climate change.  - https://www.rferl.org/

"Nuclear national pride has come at a high cost. Pakistan’s nuclear weapons spending is estimated to be as much as $2 billion per year, if health and environmental costs are included. This represents a significant portion of its total military spending, which is approximately $10 billion. In 2022, the nearly six percent declared increase in military spending sharply contrasted with the 11 percent cut in spending on development".

Now look at that chart again!

See the flattening of the curve from around 1950 to 1995?

Attributed to dam projects!

Dam projects produce hydro elecricity, control flooding, collect fresh water for populations and agriculture, and that old standby "job creation"

Now if Pakistan could be forced to use that international aid to build dams, just IMAGINE! How it could help those millions upon millions of poor Pakistanis.

However the Greens are against dams for irrational reasons. And there's no interest from Western Leadership to change the status quo.

So the West will continue (to borrow money) to send to the Nuclear Regime, every couple of years they flood, and the local Generalissimos say thank you again.

But Imagine what a little applied common sense could do, and scaled up to other third world regions in similar dire straits.

Hopefully some day, someone will connect the dots!

    One solution would be to return the Mediterranean to a former state of being land and large expanses of freshwater and a  'dead sea ' of saline water or two. Impossible-no.      

    The ability to replicate current success of projects such as the 'Three Gorges' on the Yangtze is very limited.

    One spanner in the works is the history of disastrous and problematic projects which has led to the reduction in the number of these projects.

• like all water features all dams and their reservoirs are temporary features and solutions.
• they are prone to mechanical failure
• they are subject to natural disasters
• they can cause unexpected and unwanted environmental effects over large areas. 
• the destruction of agricultural land and settlements  is immense and the forced dispersion of peoples.
• seldom live up to their expectations.
• ironically some projects have been  severely limited or made made unworkable by climate change.