Climate Change thread

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Chekhov said:

Cobblers.

OG was saying people do not need, implying they would be prepared to forgo, a car, a warm house and flying away on holiday.

I am 100% sure most people would not be prepared to forgo those things, or, to put another way, I guarantee most people would not.

 

If any country is prepared to subsidise their exports of raw materials, particularly if those raw materials are widely available elsewhere anyway, more fool them. We should take advantage of such naive generosity, fill our boots.

I never said you did not need a warm house although I do remember growing up when we all had heat in just one room most of the time..

You certainly DO NOT NEED a car, or flying away on holiday   -   you may WANT those things but you don't NEED them.  The human race survived for thousands of years without them.

 

It's fine to buy stuff that's subsidised BUT NOT to shut down your own industries so you are then reliant on those things when subsidies end.

You are a very SHORT TERM THINKER   -   which is why you don't care about global warming.

 

[harvey19]

8 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

I never said you did not need a warm house although I do remember growing up when we all had heat in just one room most of the time..

You certainly DO NOT NEED a car, or flying away on holiday   -   you may WANT those things but you don't NEED them.  The human race survived for thousands of years without them.

 

It's fine to buy stuff that's subsidised BUT NOT to shut down your own industries so you are then reliant on those things when subsidies end.

You are a very SHORT TERM THINKER   -   which is why you don't care about global warming.

 

If we did not have cars we would need more buses.

[RollingJ]

1 minute ago, harvey19 said:

If we did not have cars we would need more buses.

Or horses. 🤣

[Annie Bynnol]

26 minutes ago, trastrick said:

You "guarantee" that too? 

Fact is World Agricultural production increasing at an unprecedented rate.

"Global crop production has changed dramatically in recent decades. The amount of food we grow has increased rapidly as a result of two drivers: the amount of land we use for agriculture has expanded, but the largest driver has been a rapid rise in crop yields.

https://ourworldindata.org/agricultural-production

"The latest statistics revealed that the global production of primary crops increased by 52 percent between 2000 and 2020, to 9.3 billion tonnes in 2020. Four individual crops accounted for half the global production of primary crops in 2020: sugar cane, maize, rice and wheat.Mar 30, 2022"

https://www.fao.org/food-agriculture-statistics/data-release/data-release-detail/en/c/1491961/#:~:text=The latest statistics revealed that,%2C maize%2C rice and wheat.

Ironically during the same period as the "Climate Crisis" has reached a "tipping point", and C02 levels  have reached an "all time high"! 

    World 'crop' production and yields have increased over the decades and future world population is expected to peak.

    However attention to 'climate change' has rather hidden the long term problems with crop production and food security.

• Far more energy is needed to enable food production
• Far more petrochemicals are needed to facilitate food production
• Far more countries produce for the west and can no longer feed their own
• Mineral extraction for food production is at an all time high
• The range of foods produced in most countries is reducing
• The inability of 'poor' countries to pay for importing food is increasing
• Food production increases in poorer or undernourished areas is exported
• Food is being increasingly grown in areas which are prone to natural disasters leading to periodic food shortages
• Increasing competition for water resources is denying some areas of food production
• Ukraine and Brexit are just two examples of when the delicate nature of food supply is upset leading to shortages and price hikes.

   Theses are the economic problems, I won't bother mentioning the impact of modern food production on 'climate change', the effect on the environment and habitats and the effect on long established social structure.

 

 

[harvey19]

Why worry.

What will be will be as it always has been.

 

I am sure pressure groups will always justify their existence by finding a cause to worry us.

Edited June 7, 2023 by harvey19

[trastrick]

1 minute ago, Annie Bynnol said:

    World 'crop' production and yields have increased over the decades and future world population is expected to peak.

    However attention to 'climate change' has rather hidden the long term problems with crop production and food security.

• Far more energy is needed to enable food production
• Far more petrochemicals are needed to facilitate food production
• Far more countries produce for the west and can no longer feed their own
• Mineral extraction for food production is at an all time high
• The range of foods produced in most countries is reducing
• The inability of 'poor' countries to pay for importing food is increasing
• Food production increases in poorer or undernourished areas is exported
• Food is being increasingly grown in areas which are prone to natural disasters leading to periodic food shortages
• Increasing competition for water resources is denying some areas of food production
• Ukraine and Brexit are just two examples of when the delicate nature of food supply is upset leading to shortages and price hikes.

   Theses are the economic problems, I won't bother mentioning the impact of modern food production on 'climate change', the effect on the environment and habitats and the effect on long established social structure.

 

 

You must the fact that everything that sustains your life comes out of the Earth. your food, clothing, shelter, medicine.

 

You would be naked and starving if it didn't come out of ground.

 

12,000 years of civilization, and by all metrics the human condition is improving.

 

All the Doomsday predictions of the last 50 years did not come to pass!

 

And human ingenuity, innovation will assure that sad record will continue.

 

But not for the fearful, who put their blind faith in corrupt/incompetent governments who promise them "Elysian Fields" while delivering a "Swamp", and and the associated inevitable unsustainable spiraling National Debts.

 

Mother Nature periodically culls them from the gene pool!

 

She doesn't suffer fools gladly! 

 

 

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by trastrick

[Jack Grey]

10 minutes ago, trastrick said:

You must the fact that everything that sustains your life comes out of the Earth. your food, clothing, shelter, medicine.

 

You would be naked and starving if it didn't come out of ground.

 

12,000 years of civilization, and by all metrics the human condition is improving.

 

All the Doomsday predictions of the last 50 years did not come to pass!

 

And human ingenuity, innovation will assure that blemished record will continue.

 

But not for the fearful, who put their blind faith in corrupt/incompetent governments who promise them "Elysian Fields" and deliver a "Swamp", and and the inevitable unsustainable spiraling National Debts.

 

Mother Nature periodically culls them from the gene pool!

 

She doesn't suffer fools gladly! 

 

 

 

Its all BS

 

I agree that we need to look after our planet but there is no crisis

 

Even Greta Thunberg has been deleting old Tweets

 

Climate Change is just a scam so governments can tax us on things that we already pay tax on

 

Like Scotlands Deposit Return Scheme where they will add 20p to every drink which you will get if you return the plastic bottle or can

 

But Scotland will know and want people not to return them because everytime they do the government gets to put 20p in their pockets

 

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by Jack Grey

[Guest]

1 hour ago, harvey19 said:

If we did not have cars we would need more buses.

We did it before

1 hour ago, RollingJ said:

Or horses. 🤣

We did that before too.

The point is, when everybody stops acting silly,  that nobody ever said we couldn't have cars,  just that we couldn't have cars which run on fossil fuels.

[RollingJ]

3 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

 

We did that before too.

The point is, when everybody stops acting silly,  that nobody ever said we couldn't have cars,  just that we couldn't have cars which run on fossil fuels.

But electricity is produced (in the main) from fossil fuels.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, harvey19 said:

Why worry.

What will be will be as it always has been.

 

I am sure pressure groups will always justify their existence by finding a cause to worry us.

Your first 2 lines sound very defeatist.

The human race has got as far as it has by making efforts to overcome hurdles.

 

D you think those who warn of climate change are just a pressure group?

If you ignore a pressure group it goes away   -   if you ignore climate change, it will still happen whether we are ready or not.

3 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

But electricity is produced (in the main) from fossil fuels.

It is now but, you have obviously missed the efforts to reverse that.

That's what net zero by 2050 means