Climate Change thread

Chekhov · June 7, 2023

10 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

I never said you did not need a warm house although I do remember growing up when we all had heat in just one room most of the time..

You certainly DO NOT NEED a car, or flying away on holiday - you may WANT those things but you don't NEED them. The human race survived for thousands of years without them.

Ohh, I see, we should only have stuff we need to live, not stuff we want in order to enjoy life.

Ballcox to that, what's the point in living if one cannot do the sort of stuff one wants

>>The human race survived for thousands of years without them.<<

"We can live as we have lived for thousands of years"

How far do you want to go with that one ?

I would suggest, particularly as an authoritarian leftie, you are on dangerous ground there.

Edited June 7, 2023 by Chekhov

Chekhov · June 7, 2023

12 hours ago, trastrick said:

NASA

"Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds"

"From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

"An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric

"Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions.

"The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to TWO TIMES THE United STATES". (Caps mine)

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

This is exactly what I have posted more than once, mine was a piece of research quoted in The Times :

The Times - 10 Oct 22 p8 :

Rising carbon emissions make trees grow bigger

Trees feasting on increased CO2 emissions have grown thicker and larger researchers at Ohio State University suggest.

Academics examined the volume of trees in ten temperate forest groups across America and found that the volume of tree trunks was up 30% bigger than 30 years ago.

The phenomenon, known as Carbon fertilisation - when an influx of CO2 increases a plant's rate of photosynthesis - is likely to be replicated across the world.

8 hours ago, Jack Grey said:

But all cars run on Fossil fuels

Where do you think the electric comes from?

OG thinks we shouldn't have cars (or fly away on holiday, or have a warm house).

And OG can decide what we deserve to have.

These authoritarian left wingers are so arrogant, rumour has it that Oliver Cromwell was one of his ancestors.....

Edited June 7, 2023 by Chekhov

Chekhov · June 7, 2023

12 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

>>Chekhov said :

You do not seem to know what scientific theory actually means. All it means is it's the best theory we have to explain anything at a particular time.

There is no way at all anyone knows for sure what will happen with the climate. For instance increased CO2 levels mean plants respire faster and therefore using up more CO2 :

The Times - 10 Oct 22 p8 :

Rising carbon emissions make trees grow bigger

Trees feasting on increased CO2 emissions have grown thicker and larger researchers at Ohio State University suggest.

Academics examined the volume of trees in ten temperate forest groups across America and found that the volume of tree trunks was up 30% bigger than 30 years ago.

The phenomenon, known as Carbon fertilisation - when an influx of CO2 increases a plant's rate of photosynthesis - is likely to be replicated across the world.

But the point is, as with Covid, it's a matter of proportion. How much damage are all these "Nett Zero" measures going to do to people's lives, including their enjoyment of life ?

No, for me pragmatic environmentalism is the more sensible approach. You do what you can within reason.

Nuclear power : yes

Planting more trees : yes

Tidal power (incl the Severn barrage) : yes

More renewable (provided they are reliable and a reasonable price) ; yes

Carbon capture (provided it's not too expensive) : yes

Banning all petrol and diesel cars : no

Making gas and elec very expensive to reduce usage : no

Banning (or severely restricting) flying : no

Forcing people to radically alter their lives against their will : definitely not<<

What a load of garbage

What exactly have I said which is "a load of garbage" ?

12 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

I'm not interested whether other people think the same [as you].

You said it.

12 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

As I have told you before, we don't have rules based on how many of the population like them.

Err, yes we do, it's called democracy, have you never heard of it ?

12 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

Climate change will cause mass starvation, especially here where we don't grow most of our own food - You call that "less negative"

Now that is garbage (see stuff above about higher concentrations of CO2 increasing levels of photosynthesis).

Edited June 7, 2023 by Chekhov

Chekhov · June 7, 2023

12 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

I REPEAT, FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING COVID!

The response to the "Climate emergency" is eerily similar to that for Covid.

Have you never heard of learning from history ? :

We have a load of "experts", most of whom (certainly those on the MSM and those listened to by the government) telling us how bad things could be (the implication being how bad things will be).