Climate Change thread

[Voice of reason]

On 01/05/2019 at 17:37, ANGELFIRE1 said:

As we make 0.7% of the worlds pollution whatever we do to reduce it farther is a compete and utter waste of time. Get the real polluters on board, USA, China and India then progress can be made. Otherwise it's like piddling in the sea and thinking it will make a difference.

 

Angel1.

Or set environmental rules that we stick to, and any imports made by methods that don't either dont get in or are tariffed up to the eyeballs.

[ANGELFIRE1]

2 hours ago, Voice of reason said:

Or set environmental rules that we stick to, and any imports made by methods that don't either dont get in or are tariffed up to the eyeballs.

Good luck with that one, can't see it happening.

 

Angel1.

[Voice of reason]

Just now, ANGELFIRE1 said:

Good luck with that one, can't see it happening.

 

Angel1.

Maybe. But why set rules, for ourselves, then buy stuff that is made by methods that don't have to comply?

[ANGELFIRE1]

3 minutes ago, Voice of reason said:

Maybe. But why set rules, for ourselves, then buy stuff that is made by methods that don't have to comply?

There is the problem. We CANNOT at present under EU law help our heavy industries aka British Steel. While the Chinese make half of the WORLDS steel using mainly coal to generate their power and it's heavily subsidised, then they flood the market with it.  

 

Angel1.

[Magilla]

9 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

There is the problem. We CANNOT at present under EU law help our heavy industries aka British Steel.

Germany has handed over 40 times more in energy subsidies to heavy industry since 2013 than the UK, a choice that's nothing to do with the EU, merely UK goverment policy.

 

9 minutes ago, ANGELFIRE1 said:

While the Chinese make half of the WORLDS steel using mainly coal to generate their power and it's heavily subsidised, then they flood the market with it. 

That's what tarrifs are for, and again, something successive UK governments have voted against.

 

Gareth Stace, director general of the trade association UK Steel:

"Leaving the EU has the potential to cause a great deal of damage to exports, weakening an already troubled sector"

 

Leaving the EU won't help British Steel, quite the opposite, it's hastening it's demise.

[Voice of reason]

Let's not turn it into a brexit or british steel thread.

In general rules can be set either within the eu or external to it when we leave, that stipulate the conditions under which products must be made to allow them to be imported.

That can range from coal pollutants, to plastic waste, to disposal of chemical waste.

Edited May 30, 2019 by Voice of reason

[El Cid]

5 hours ago, Voice of reason said:

Let's not turn it into a Brexit or British steel thread.

 

 

 

I have always seen the positive side of tariffs, all this 'free trade' nonsense is just that, nonsense. It favours the big multinationals, when we should be encouraging more local production.

We should not have punitive tariffs, just a small tax on trade that has a high carbon footprint because it is coming into the UK from far away.

[Cyclone]

7 hours ago, El Cid said:

 

I have always seen the positive side of tariffs, all this 'free trade' nonsense is just that, nonsense. It favours the big multinationals, when we should be encouraging more local production.

We should not have punitive tariffs, just a small tax on trade that has a high carbon footprint because it is coming into the UK from far away.

What happens though is that countries respond by putting "small tariffs" on your exports to balance the tariff on their goods.  And often country A doesn't feel like this is fair, and so they change the tariffs around, and so it goes.  And you get Trump and China and every business suffers, people suffer, pensions suffer, nobody benefits.

[cristalker]

On 29/05/2019 at 22:49, WiseOwl182 said:

It's scaremongering tripe. I'd put all my money on there being no issue with our water supply within 10 years.

What is your bet based on. The probability of occurrence is very high.

[El Cid]

1 hour ago, Cyclone said:

What happens though is that countries respond by putting "small tariffs" on your exports to balance the tariff on their goods.  And often country A doesn't feel like this is fair, and so they change the tariffs around, and so it goes.  And you get Trump and China and every business suffers, people suffer, pensions suffer, nobody benefits.

 

WTO have tariffs.

 

The EU has tariffs on some goods entering the EU, the average EU tariff on agriculture was roughly 11% in 2016, compared to about 4% for other products.

 

All this free trade, is just nonsense.