Climate Change thread

[*_ash_*]

2 hours ago, iansheff said:

How will the Government (which ever party is in power) make up money they will lose in taxes when electric vehicles are the main vehicles on the roads?  Electric vehicles are exempt from road duty, electricity is privatised so the electric companies, not the Government will be making  money from people charging their vehicles at home.  

Start with taxis buses/coaches and vans.

 

Then once the 42million quid cameras are up, the qualifications and exemptions will slowly alter meaning the general public pay it.

 

Maybe one day we'll all be in electric vehicles, but by then they'll just be charged in this process of altering. Especially when the next climate change generation realise what goes into building them.

 

 

Edited June 12, 2019 by *_ash_*

[Halibut]

21 hours ago, Dontquoteme said:

I find that quite odd; I could see how having the windows open could be an issue but if the windows are closed I fail to see how significant pollution could get in. What about sitting on a bus? what about sitting in your house that is situated on a busy road? That piece just focus's on cars!

 

I take scientific studies with an agenda with a pinch of salt. 

You find it odd that you don't asphyxiate every time you're in a car? 

The agenda in the studies mentioned in the article was the effect that pollution has on respiratory health. Presumably you also take the evidence that smoking kills people with a pinch of salt too. 

I'd like to see you have a chat with asthma expert Professor Stephen Holgate and tell him you don't believe his science because you don't trust his agenda because it's trying to prevent asthma.

Edited June 13, 2019 by Halibut

[davyboy]

I was sent this

Is it fake news or the truth?

 

China has 19% of the world's population, but consumes ...       53% of the world's cement    48% of the world's iron ore    47% of the world's coal    ... and the majority of just about every other major commodity.    In 2010, China produced 11 times more steel than the United States.    New World Record: China made and sold 18 million vehicles in 2010.    There are more pigs in China than in the next 43 pork producing nations combined    China currently has the world's fastest train and the world's largest high-speed rail network. China is currently the number one producer in the world of wind and solar power but don't use it themselves.    While they manufacture 80% of the world's solar panels, they install less than 5% and build a new coal fired power station every week.    In one year they turn on more new coal powered electricity than Australia's total output.    China currently controls more than 90% of the total global supply of rare earth elements.    In the past 15 years, China has moved from 14th place to 2nd place in the world in published scientific research articles.    China now possesses the fastest supercomputer on the entire globe.    At the end of March 2011 China accumulated US $3.04 trillion in foreign currency reserves - the largest stockpile on the entire globe.    Chinese people consume 50,000 cigarettes every second.    They are already the largest carbon dioxide emitter and their output will rise 70% by 2020.    ~*~*~*~*~*~    And we think we're saving the planet?    It will not make one iota of difference what we do in Australia, Canada, the United States or anywhere else in the world; for that matter, all the politicians are doing is increasing our cost of living and making our manufacturers uncompetitive in the world market, with the carbon tax, when countries like China are growing and consuming at these extraordinary rates.  And we are paying carbon tax to save the World!

[hauxwell]

2 hours ago, Halibut said:

You find it odd that you don't asphyxiate every time you're in a car? 

The agenda in the studies mentioned in the article was the effect that pollution has on respiratory health. Presumably you also take the evidence that smoking kills people with a pinch of salt too. 

I'd like to see you have a chat with asthma expert Professor Stephen Holgate and tell him you don't believe his science because you don't trust his agenda because it's trying to prevent asthma.

I can only speak for myself, since moving from Sheffield to Newcastle my asthma has never been better and I live near the Tyne Bridge, one of the bridges the council want to introduce this unfair clean air toll.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, hauxwell said:

I can only speak for myself, since moving from Sheffield to Newcastle my asthma has never been better and I live near the Tyne Bridge, one of the bridges the council want to introduce this unfair clean air toll.

Well there we have it folks, absolute scientific proof!

[hauxwell]

41 minutes ago, probedb said:

Well there we have it folks, absolute scientific proof!

The only scientific proof I can offer is because Newcastle is near the coast the air is fresher and possibly higher levels of oxygen.  

 

[Dontquoteme]

If I lived on Taplin road, or Dodd Street, Ripley street or the bottom of Walkley Lane, I'd consider suing the council for the increase in traffic/air pollution forced on to these roads by the bus gate on Hillsborough corner.

[staninoodle]

On 13/06/2019 at 09:12, davyboy said:

I was sent this

Is it fake news or the truth?

 

China has 19% of the world's population, but consumes ...       53% of the world's cement    48% of the world's iron ore    47% of the world's coal    ... and the majority of just about every other major commodity.    In 2010, China produced 11 times more steel than the United States.    New World Record: China made and sold 18 million vehicles in 2010.    There are more pigs in China than in the next 43 pork producing nations combined    China currently has the world's fastest train and the world's largest high-speed rail network. China is currently the number one producer in the world of wind and solar power but don't use it themselves.    While they manufacture 80% of the world's solar panels, they install less than 5% and build a new coal fired power station every week.    In one year they turn on more new coal powered electricity than Australia's total output.    China currently controls more than 90% of the total global supply of rare earth elements.    In the past 15 years, China has moved from 14th place to 2nd place in the world in published scientific research articles.    China now possesses the fastest supercomputer on the entire globe.    At the end of March 2011 China accumulated US $3.04 trillion in foreign currency reserves - the largest stockpile on the entire globe.    Chinese people consume 50,000 cigarettes every second.    They are already the largest carbon dioxide emitter and their output will rise 70% by 2020.    ~*~*~*~*~*~    And we think we're saving the planet?    It will not make one iota of difference what we do in Australia, Canada, the United States or anywhere else in the world; for that matter, all the politicians are doing is increasing our cost of living and making our manufacturers uncompetitive in the world market, with the carbon tax, when countries like China are growing and consuming at these extraordinary rates.  And we are paying carbon tax to save the World!

China bought access to fishing rites in african seas via some dubious method,and factory fished their seas,not permitted in african countries,and now their fishermen are complaining of low to no catches from fishing trips.

They also claim to have invented a device to remove carbon from the atmosphere,and to mine minerals found on the moon.

While we are fracking for shale gas and polluting our own water supply

Edited June 14, 2019 by staninoodle

[ANGELFIRE1]

On 13/06/2019 at 09:12, davyboy said:

I was sent this

Is it fake news or the truth?

 

China has 19% of the world's population, but consumes ...       53% of the world's cement    48% of the world's iron ore    47% of the world's coal    ... and the majority of just about every other major commodity.    In 2010, China produced 11 times more steel than the United States.    New World Record: China made and sold 18 million vehicles in 2010.    There are more pigs in China than in the next 43 pork producing nations combined    China currently has the world's fastest train and the world's largest high-speed rail network. China is currently the number one producer in the world of wind and solar power but don't use it themselves.    While they manufacture 80% of the world's solar panels, they install less than 5% and build a new coal fired power station every week.    In one year they turn on more new coal powered electricity than Australia's total output.    China currently controls more than 90% of the total global supply of rare earth elements.    In the past 15 years, China has moved from 14th place to 2nd place in the world in published scientific research articles.    China now possesses the fastest supercomputer on the entire globe.    At the end of March 2011 China accumulated US $3.04 trillion in foreign currency reserves - the largest stockpile on the entire globe.    Chinese people consume 50,000 cigarettes every second.    They are already the largest carbon dioxide emitter and their output will rise 70% by 2020.    ~*~*~*~*~*~    And we think we're saving the planet?    It will not make one iota of difference what we do in Australia, Canada, the United States or anywhere else in the world; for that matter, all the politicians are doing is increasing our cost of living and making our manufacturers uncompetitive in the world market, with the carbon tax, when countries like China are growing and consuming at these extraordinary rates.  And we are paying carbon tax to save the World!

I have no idea if the above is 100% true, but it does sound viable.

 

Regarding the last paragraph, remove the USA (2nd largest carbon emissions in the world, only topped by China) and it is on the money. It's comparable with an old man piddling in the sea and expecting his contribution to effect the amount of water in the sea by a considerable amount, it's just a dream.

 

Angel1.

[Halibut]

On 15/06/2019 at 09:58, ANGELFIRE1 said:

I have no idea if the above is 100% true, but it does sound viable.

 

Regarding the last paragraph, remove the USA (2nd largest carbon emissions in the world, only topped by China) and it is on the money. It's comparable with an old man piddling in the sea and expecting his contribution to effect the amount of water in the sea by a considerable amount, it's just a dream.

 

Angel1.

You can afford to smug and defeatist, you'll be dead soon - it's the younger people who realise what the future's looking like and they who'll rise to the challenge.