Knife attacks in Sheffield 2018

[Eccy Beach]

Glasgow have reduced their violent crime massively in recent years - ''Between 2006 and 2011, 15 children and teenagers were killed with knives in Scotland’s largest city; between April 2011 and April 2016, none were.''

 

Maybe we should look at what they did - and start doing it here?

Further information here - https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2017/dec/03/how-scotland-reduced-knife-deaths-among-young-people

 

An evidence-based approach on Sheffield Forum! It'll never work. Better to rant about tougher sentences even though the Glasgow approach (although they got it from USA) is rooted in a public health methodology, rather than law enforcement.

[Guest makapaka]

An evidence-based approach on Sheffield Forum! It'll never work. Better to rant about tougher sentences even though the Glasgow approach (although they got it from USA) is rooted in a public health methodology, rather than law enforcement.

 

Except law enforcement was a key part of it;

“They campaigned really hard to get the legislation around knife crime changed so people would be more likely to get a mandatory sentence. There was also, at the outset, a lot of stop and search.”

[Eccy Beach]

Except law enforcement was a key part of it;

“They campaigned really hard to get the legislation around knife crime changed so people would be more likely to get a mandatory sentence. There was also, at the outset, a lot of stop and search.”

 

I'm pretty sure the evaluation of it, and certainly how it is being sold to London as the solution is more to do with the public health approach and changing societal views on knife crime and carrying knives.

[Guest makapaka]

I'm pretty sure the evaluation of it, and certainly how it is being sold to London as the solution is more to do with the public health approach and changing societal views on knife crime and carrying knives.

 

Possibly - but your previous post seemed to try and cast shade on people’s opinilns on tougher sentencing but the article does appear to support that to an extent.

[Eccy Beach]

Possibly - but your previous post seemed to try and cast shade on people’s opinilns on tougher sentencing but the article does appear to support that to an extent.

 

I see what you're saying but it does seem to be contradictory to a significant body of research which suggests tougher sentences do not contribute to reductions in criminality.

[lil-minx92]

What type of positions are you talking about for say an 18 year old lad with minimal academic qualifications?

 

Less positions/opportunities than the same 18 year old lad with excellent academic qualifications, but thats life.

[Guest makapaka]

Less positions/opportunities than the same 18 year old lad with excellent academic qualifications, but thats life.

 

That’s life?

 

It doesn’t have to be though does it.

 

We also then have to bear some of the consequences that come from it.

[truman]

That’s life?

 

It doesn’t have to be though does it.

 

We also then have to bear some of the consequences that come from it.

 

How would you change it?

[Baron99]

Sorry- just assuming the people they've arrested are responsible. They of course might not be.

 

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An absolute insult to single mothers.

 

I know of a great many people who had awful parents, and turned out great.

 

Likewise there are many people with 'decent parents' who have gone on to be criminals. You can start with someone like Jeffrey Archer if you like.

 

Bad parents are nothing new....they haven't sprung up in the past year or so to explain the rise in violent crime I'm afraid. You'll have to find something else to blame....

 

And neither are bad governments to blame for rising crime. Back in the the 70's when there was higher unemployment; almost permanent industrial action; sky high inflation; fewer opportunities for school leavers; less in the way of benefits; fewer organisations that the working class could turn to for help, there wasn't the level of crime we are experiencng now.

 

Looking after a child is the primary responsibility of parents. They are the ones that children should be looking to. If you only do one thing in this life it should be to make sure that your children end up better off than yourself.

[lil-minx92]

That’s life?

 

It doesn’t have to be though does it.

 

We also then have to bear some of the consequences that come from it.

 

Of course it does. We are not homogeneous manufactured beings.