£8,000 a month care home fees.

[truman]

And so we cycle back to the assertion you made years ago that care homes make a large profit.

You make this claim despite the fact that care homes across the country have been closing for years because they are going bust!

It's a wilful denial of reality.

 

But it fits in with an agenda...

[Annie Bynnol]

The NHS only provide support if the dementia sufferer also has an illness(es) which requires treatment and/or

Local Authorities can provide physical and financial support, provided their criteria are met. A dementia diagnosis from a Doctor will not tick any boxes.

People can and do live with dementia for many years without ever needing any nursing care.

 

Financing: The Local Council has only to provide a limited number of service as a legal requirement, most of the 'extra' services have been lost. This is also 'means tested'. When the medical (not social needs) cannot be met, the local NHS Clinical Commissioning Group will do an initial checklist assessment to find out if their is a Primary Healthcare eligibility* for a NHS Continuing Healthcare Plan. Some Nursing homes will only accept people with this. This funding still does not cover all the costs.

 

* A Primary Healthcare criteria are very high jumps. They would not apply to a person with Dementia, is immobile, unable to wash, dress, toilet, take medication or feed themselves independently. These are Social needs not Medical needs.

[Anna B]

The NHS only provide support if the dementia sufferer also has an illness(es) which requires treatment and/or

Local Authorities can provide physical and financial support, provided their criteria are met. A dementia diagnosis from a Doctor will not tick any boxes.

People can and do live with dementia for many years without ever needing any nursing care.

 

Financing: The Local Council has only to provide a limited number of service as a legal requirement, most of the 'extra' services have been lost. This is also 'means tested'. When the medical (not social needs) cannot be met, the local NHS Clinical Commissioning Group will do an initial checklist assessment to find out if their is a Primary Healthcare eligibility* for a NHS Continuing Healthcare Plan. Some Nursing homes will only accept people with this. This funding still does not cover all the costs.

 

* A Primary Healthcare criteria are very high jumps. They would not apply to a person with Dementia, is immobile, unable to wash, dress, toilet, take medication or feed themselves independently. These are Social needs not Medical needs.

So this person would have to fund themselves or be funded by family / sponsor?

[Annie Bynnol]

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So this person would have to fund themselves or be funded by family / sponsor?

 

The current situation is that a person needing support with their social needs because they have dementia has to rely on their family, friends, charity, social services and paid for health care companies. Social services support a is assessed and is financed by means testing of income (including pension and benefits) and savings. This would apply to any person in our community who needs social care.

 

The NHS funding comes in when their is an assessment for Healthcare and even this does not cover the full costs of a nursing home.

The assessment (2016) is based on:

Behaviour * or **

Cognition *

Skin integrity*

Nutrition*

Psychological/emotional

Communication

Mobility*

Continence

Breathing* or **

Drug therapies* or **

Altered states of mind**

Other significant healthcare needs*

 

There are up to six levels in each section with the highest being **priority and *severe. The number of ticked boxes required is a complicated and I would advise that any applicant should seek expert advice first.

[Anna B]

Thanks Annie.

 

It sounds like PIP all over again.

The sooner Dementia is classed as an illness the better then, and even then you won't necessarily qualify...