Is austerity working- and will it ever end?

[Anna B]

Should they just resign their positions if they don't agree with JC? I notice you changed you post from "government" to "party"

 

Yes, wasn't sure what to call it when you see them sitting in the commons.

 

No, they shouldn't resign their positions, they are elected Members of Parliament, and I think the Labour party is big enough and strong enough to field a variety of opinions.

 

Jeremy Corbyn has invited them to work with him, and that doesn't mean they have to give up their beliefs, nothing wrong with argument, discussion and debate behind the scenes, it makes the party stronger and firms up strategy, but in the end, as with all parties, a measure of compromise is required on both sides to make it work. The bigger picture is that they should all be on the same team, with the same general aims for the good of the country.

 

What I can't abide however is them sticking the knife in publicly for no better reason than sour grapes. A certain amount of public loyalty to the party would be nice, rather than seizing the opportunity to dis Corbyn, aided and abetted by the media, who somehow only seem to be able to find them to give their opinions.

[Cyclone]

But you surely agree that the current decision makers in the labour party are very different from under Blair or Brown. The fact that things happened under the last Labour Party certainly does not mean that the same things would happen this time around just because they are still called Labour.

 

The claim was that with Corby the stock market will decrease.

 

I asked how it did with the last labour government, but if we can't use that then what evidence is there for how it will behave?

[tinfoilhat]

The claim was that with Corby the stock market will decrease.

 

I asked how it did with the last labour government, but if we can't use that then what evidence is there for how it will behave?

 

Do you think a corbyn government would be similar to a Blair government?

[Robin-H]

The claim was that with Corby the stock market will decrease.

 

I asked how it did with the last labour government, but if we can't use that then what evidence is there for how it will behave?

 

We shouldn't look to the last labour government for the reasons I've suggested, no.

 

We could instead look at a range of expert opinions on what might happen, and judge which we find the most sensible or reliable based on evidence that we have.

[convert]

We shouldn't look to the last labour government for the reasons I've suggested, no.

 

We could instead look at a range of expert opinions on what might happen, and judge which we find the most sensible or reliable based on evidence that we have.

 

Or look at the economic outlook for countries with similar policies / ideals to Labour?

[El Cid]

The claim was that with Corby the stock market will decrease.

 

I asked how it did with the last labour government, but if we can't use that then what evidence is there for how it will behave?

 

With an unstable(Corbyn) Government, any stock market would struggle.

 

With a socialist Government, any stock market would decline, because the companies that are making money for their shareholders would no longer exist.

[Anna B]

Or look at the economic outlook for countries with similar policies / ideals to Labour?

 

Why not look towards some of the Scandinavian countries who seem to do very well and seem very stable, rather than always comparing ourselves with the USA.

[ez8004]

Why not look towards some of the Scandinavian countries who seem to do very well and seem very stable, rather than always comparing ourselves with the USA.

 

Because we can’t afford to be like the Scandinavians. Not even close.

[Cyclone]

With an unstable(Corbyn) Government, any stock market would struggle.

 

With a socialist Government, any stock market would decline, because the companies that are making money for their shareholders would no longer exist.

 

We currently have an unstable (May) government, and the stock market suffered a large plunge in the last month.

 

It's simply not true that socialist governments cause stock market decline, that's just nonsense you've made up, and you must know that I will bury you in evidence to show that it isn't true.

Socialism isn't anti business, it's anti business excess, anti unbridled capitalism.

It's the reason you have weekends, and holidays, and maternity and paternity rights and sick leave and can't be fired for no reason.

 

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Because we can’t afford to be like the Scandinavians. Not even close.

 

Do they have a magic money tree?

Don't we? We can find billions to bribe the DUP when we want. But we have to kick dying people off benefits in order to save money, it's all very confusing. The MPs can claim expenses for duck houses and moat cleaning, but universal credit will reduce the benefits of thousands of people who are out of work and can barely afford to eat.

It's so hard to know whether we have a magic money tree or not.

[Robin-H]

We currently have an unstable (May) government, and the stock market suffered a large plunge in the last month.

 

It's simply not true that socialist governments cause stock market decline, that's just nonsense you've made up, and you must know that I will bury you in evidence to show that it isn't true.

Socialism isn't anti business, it's anti business excess, anti unbridled capitalism.

It's the reason you have weekends, and holidays, and maternity and paternity rights and sick leave and can't be fired for no reason.

 

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Do they have a magic money tree?

Don't we? We can find billions to bribe the DUP when we want. But we have to kick dying people off benefits in order to save money, it's all very confusing. The MPs can claim expenses for duck houses and moat cleaning, but universal credit will reduce the benefits of thousands of people who are out of work and can barely afford to eat.

It's so hard to know whether we have a magic money tree or not.

 

The stock market didn't 'plunge' because of anything May did.

 

The stock market went down because of fears of the escalating trade war between the USA and China, which affected stock markets all over the world. They went down because of the risk that tariffs would have on the free market.

 

I have weekends, holidays, paternity rights and sick leave and I live in a capitalist country. Yes, we need compassionate, not unbridled, capitalism and we probably haven't got the balance quite yet, but the answer isn't all out socialism. It is simply not true that those things can only come from socialism, which, after all, is about social ownership of the means of production.