m williamson Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, harvey19 said: The question was asking if they were above us (or something of the sort). Which I have answered very clearly on several occasions. Nothing about should we have a monarchy It is your use of the servile term above us that is the problem here. Is Charles Head of State? Yes, that's the undemocratic system this country operates. In that role I actually wish him well, as a result of the self inflicted damage we have done to ourselves we need all the goodwill we can get. I was pleased that all went well in France, and when the French President visits us I'm sure we will also welcome him. However, the point is that whatever position he holds he is not above me, do you understand that simple fact? As pointed out previously I've met and had a conversation with a Head of State, that person wasn't above me or any other citizen of the country who's President she was. The lady was The First Citizen during the time she held the office. The country's representative and someone to be treat with good manners, but not someone to be bowed and scraped to. Equality and respect are something to be welcomed and should always be two way. Deference and obsequious behaviour in one direction is demeaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, harvey19 said: You don't have a choice though. You may not like it but you have no option in the matter. Our Orgy, bless him, is happy to receive the fruits of a nation that happens to have a tradition of monarchy, but he should stop whining about it, For better or worse the democratic monarchy is a fact of life in Britain. Edited October 4, 2023 by trastrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Bundy Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, trastrick said: Our Orgy, bless him, is happy to receive the fruits of a nation that happens to have a tradition of monarchy, but he should stop whining about it, For better or worse the monarchy is a fact of life in Britain. 😂 He is like that cuddly old dog that just barks at everyone in a suit and tie with a sun tan, but you can't help but have a soft spot for the little rascal. Edited October 4, 2023 by Al Bundy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Al Bundy said: Irrelevant. Only to you. 1 minute ago, Al Bundy said: 😂 He is like that cuddly old dog that just barks at everyone but you can't help but have a soft spot for the little rascal. Don't kid yourself, I would bite some of you lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, harvey19 said: You don't have a choice though. You may not like it but you have no option in the matter. in WHAT matter. There is no MATTER to have a choice in Yes, there is a king and Yes, it seems he is your king but NO, he is not my king. If he drove past me and I wanted to shout FO Charles, there is not a damned thing that anyone could do. I will NOT bow, I will not scrape and I will not call him either Your Majesty or Sir. I don't care how many of you decide I shouldn't be like that - I am 33 minutes ago, harvey19 said: Seems as though you are beginning to see the light and realise you are one of the Kings subjects and He ranks above you in the constitution. We are just the crumbs at the bottom of the biscuit barrel of life whilst the King is the full biscuit at the top of the barrel. Better explain how you deduce that. I give you full credit for wishful thinking and I readily believe that you are a crumb at the bottom of the barrel. The king could only be describes as a lying, conniving, deceitful bit of biscuit. That's only the bits we know about. I have things to do and can't waste my time on here all afternoon. Enjoy your pantomime all of you. Edited October 4, 2023 by Organgrinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Organgrinder said: in WHAT matter. There is no MATTER to have a choice in Yes, there is a king and Yes, it seems he is your king but NO, he is not my king. If he drove past me and I wanted to shout FO Charles, there is not a damned thing that anyone could do. I will NOT bow, I will not scrape and I will not call him either Your Majesty or Sir. I don't care how many of you decide I shouldn't be like that - I am Interesting rant, but is anybody actually asking you to bow and scrape to the King of England? I wouldn't either, but when I'm in England, I accept that I am a subject of the Crown, and its Lawful Government, and the Crown's legal system. If I can't accept the reality of the political system where I live, I pick up and leave. Did it to the U.K., Canada, the States. I'd do it again, if authoritarian socialists took over my happy country, but I hope I'm gone before that probably inevitable day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, m williamson said: It is your use of the servile term above us that is the problem here. Is Charles Head of State? Yes, that's the undemocratic system this country operates. In that role I actually wish him well, as a result of the self inflicted damage we have done to ourselves we need all the goodwill we can get. I was pleased that all went well in France, and when the French President visits us I'm sure we will also welcome him. However, the point is that whatever position he holds he is not above me, do you understand that simple fact? As pointed out previously I've met and had a conversation with a Head of State, that person wasn't above me or any other citizen of the country who's President she was. The lady was The First Citizen during the time she held the office. The country's representative and someone to be treat with good manners, but not someone to be bowed and scraped to. Equality and respect are something to be welcomed and should always be two way. Deference and obsequious behaviour in one direction is demeaning. In the constitution of the country HE is. Maybe not in your opinion but in reality HE is. Look at it as a pyramid with the King at the top and others below. 1 hour ago, Organgrinder said: in WHAT matter. There is no MATTER to have a choice in Yes, there is a king and Yes, it seems he is your king but NO, he is not my king. If he drove past me and I wanted to shout FO Charles, there is not a damned thing that anyone could do. I will NOT bow, I will not scrape and I will not call him either Your Majesty or Sir. I don't care how many of you decide I shouldn't be like that - I am Better explain how you deduce that. I give you full credit for wishful thinking and I readily believe that you are a crumb at the bottom of the barrel. The king could only be describes as a lying, conniving, deceitful bit of biscuit. That's only the bits we know about. I have things to do and can't waste my time on here all afternoon. Enjoy your pantomime all of you. Once again you are giving your opinion of our monarchy which is completely irrelevant to the matter in hand. Basically your opinion of the monarchy counts for nothing in the matter as it is facts you need to accept. Enjoy the afternoon. Edited October 4, 2023 by harvey19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m williamson Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, harvey19 said: In the constitution of the country HE is. Maybe not in your opinion but in reality HE is. Look at it as a pyramid with the King at the top and others below. Obviously, that is your way of looking at it, but it isn't mine. Someone being born into a set of circumstances which place them in a position that they may or may not have any aptitude for is a ridiculous state of affairs. Charles has a fatal accident before impregnating Diana and you would be giving your obeisance to King Andrew. In any event you are wrong about what the constitution says. https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/ Parliament is sovereign. Yes, those wonderful competent, honest and trustworthy politicians are in charge, what could possibly go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Bundy Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Organgrinder said: Only to you. Don't kid yourself, I would bite some of you lot. Do you have a muzzle in that case? 😉 Edited October 4, 2023 by Al Bundy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey19 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, m williamson said: Obviously, that is your way of looking at it, but it isn't mine. Someone being born into a set of circumstances which place them in a position that they may or may not have any aptitude for is a ridiculous state of affairs. Charles has a fatal accident before impregnating Diana and you would be giving your obeisance to King Andrew. In any event you are wrong about what the constitution says. https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/sovereignty/ Parliament is sovereign. Yes, those wonderful competent, honest and trustworthy politicians are in charge, what could possibly go wrong? You are passing your opinion again which is irrelevant I think you will find the Monarch is head of state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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