tinfoilhat Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, leviathan13 said: People are no longer allowed to make up their own minds anymore. I hear language which i find abhorrent, but a person has the right to say something and we have the right to challenge them. Simply shutting down free speech won't change someone's mind; it will most probably reinforce their view! We should have free speech, but i fear the walls are closing in and we can already see that our words are being policed. If there’s something you are frightened of saying, PM me in strictest confidence and I’ll say it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26b-6 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 6 hours ago, tinfoilhat said: If there’s something you are frightened of saying, PM me in strictest confidence and I’ll say it for you. I can't even voice my observations about Sheffield without them been removed. But you're missing the whole point, In a so called free-society' Nobody should be frightened of expressing any opinion. 6 hours ago, leviathan13 said: People are no longer allowed to make up their own minds anymore. I hear language which i find abhorrent, but a person has the right to say something and we have the right to challenge them. Simply shutting down free speech won't change someone's mind; it will most probably reinforce their view! We should have free speech, but i fear the walls are closing in and we can already see that our words are being policed. Exactly! The second you limit free speech is the exact same second you lose your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 1 hour ago, 26b-6 said: I can't even voice my observations about Sheffield without them been removed. But you're missing the whole point, In a so called free-society' Nobody should be frightened of expressing any opinion. Exactly! The second you limit free speech is the exact same second you lose your own. Removed? You speak words and someone plucks them out of the ether and they're gone. Fear of expressing an opinion though, that's not a problem with free speech, that's a problem that your fearing the reaction to what you say because you know that it's likely to cause one. Perhaps then you should consider whether there is a problem with what you want to say, rather than a problem with all the people that react to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilldig Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Cyclone said: Removed? You speak words and someone plucks them out of the ether and they're gone. Fear of expressing an opinion though, that's not a problem with free speech, that's a problem that your fearing the reaction to what you say because you know that it's likely to cause one. Perhaps then you should consider whether there is a problem with what you want to say, rather than a problem with all the people that react to it... Nothing wrong with positive reaction but some people can over-react. In a small way I have seen many accused of trolling simply because the accuser holds a different opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 5 hours ago, spilldig said: Nothing wrong with positive reaction but some people can over-react. In a small way I have seen many accused of trolling simply because the accuser holds a different opinion. So you think that you should have freedom of speech, but you wish to constraint the reaction of others to what you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilldig Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 12 hours ago, Cyclone said: So you think that you should have freedom of speech, but you wish to constraint the reaction of others to what you say? No, I expect them to give thier opinion without insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Oh right, so you want to restrict their right to free speech, I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spilldig Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Cyclone said: Oh right, so you want to restrict their right to free speech, I see. Where did I say that. I said they should be able to debate without insult, Are you saying they should feel free to insult people ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 If you're saying that they shouldn't be free to insult then that's a restriction on free speech... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 On 28 November 2018 at 10:49 PM, leviathan13 said: People are no longer allowed to make up their own minds anymore. I've asked this before and not received an answer so there's probably no harm in asking again. Who is actually stopping you making up your own mind? I and everybody I know makes up their own mind so who is not allowing you to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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