Mr Gobby Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Sadly the wrong people were killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUZIFACE Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Where's the LIKE button ?? Exactly, if a car fails to stop when the police are obviously asking you too, blue lights and siren etc, then maybe it should be mandatory that a unmarked car follows at a safe distant at the same time deploying the police chopper to follow. You cannot weigh the cost of that against the likes of having four people losing their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen17 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 accidently killing people...which you didnt deliberately hit is manslaughter...its the law ---------- Post added 10-11-2018 at 19:47 ---------- does that mean youre a do badder? I haven't said it was murder - just that it should be. We all know that accidents happen but this wasn't an accident or 'just' dangerous driving - which may be classed as manslaughter. They killed people by failing to stop when ordered to by the police and that should not be classed as 'accidently' killing someone - they have disregarded the law and shown no regard for other people - it was very intentional act to behave as they did and put others at risk of being killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broakham Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I haven't said it was murder - just that it should be. We all know that accidents happen but this wasn't an accident or 'just' dangerous driving - which may be classed as manslaughter. They killed people by failing to stop when ordered to by the police and that should not be classed as 'accidently' killing someone - they have disregarded the law and shown no regard for other people - it was very intentional act to behave as they did and put others at risk of being killed. Extract from Wikipedia - Manslaughter by gross negligence Under English law, where a person owes a duty of care (either by statute or by the neighbour principle[8]) and is negligent to such a degree that consequently the law regards it as a crime[9] (namely the person has been grossly negligent) and that person causes the victim to die, she may be liable for gross negligence manslaughter.[10] The defendants in such cases are often people carrying out jobs that require special skills or care, such as doctors, teachers, police or prison officers, or electricians, who fail to meet the standard which could be expected from a reasonable person of the same profession.[11] In R v Bateman[12] the Court of Criminal Appeal held that gross negligence manslaughter involved the following elements: the defendant owed a duty to the deceased to take care; the defendant breached this duty; the breach caused the death of the deceased; and the defendant's negligence was gross, that is, it showed such a disregard for the life and safety of others as to amount to a crime and deserve punishment. The House of Lords in Seymour[13] sought to identify the mens rea for "motor manslaughter" (negligently causing death when driving a motor vehicle). Reference was made to R v Caldwell and R v Lawrence[14][15] which held that a person was reckless if: he did an act which in fact created an obvious and serious risk of injury to the person or substantial damage to property; and when he did the act he either had not given any thought to the possibility of there being any such risk or had recognised that there was some risk involved and had nonetheless gone on to do it. The conclusion was that for motor manslaughter (and, by implication, for all cases of gross negligence), it was more appropriate to adopt this definition of recklessness. Consequently, if the defendant created an obvious and serious risk of causing physical injury to someone, there could be liability whether there was simple inadvertence or conscious risk-taking. It was no longer a defence to argue that the negligence had not been gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 using A WEAPON IN APUBLIC PLACE WHICH KILLS PEOPLE SHOULD BE MURDER ! Murder, even if in caps, has to be an intent to kill. Otherwise it's manslaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 using A WEAPON IN APUBLIC PLACE WHICH KILLS PEOPLE SHOULD BE MURDER ! Don't be ridiculous! There was an old woman in Devon or Cornwall I think, who killed two people on a pedestrian crossing because she had lost her glasses and didn't see them. Should she be charged with murder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Exactly, if a car fails to stop when the police are obviously asking you too, blue lights and siren etc, then maybe it should be mandatory that a unmarked car follows at a safe distant at the same time deploying the police chopper to follow. You cannot weigh the cost of that against the likes of having four people losing their lives. Obviously you can weigh the cost of that against your actual available budget though. ---------- Post added 10-11-2018 at 20:57 ---------- Surely in this case it will be death by dangerous driving. The maximum prison sentence the court can impose for causing death by dangerous driving or careless driving under the influence of drink or drugs is 14 years; If they try instead for Unlawful Act Manslaughter it's up to 24 years. https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Manslaughter_Definitive-Guideline_WEB.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendix Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 So sad. Three toerags who failed to stop for police kill four innocent people and leave three more critically ill, and they walk away with minor injuries. If these idiots hadnt drove off from the police this wouldnt have happened. I hope all three are charges with four counts of murder . ---------- Post added 10-11-2018 at 16:02 ---------- Dont blame the police, blame the losers who failed to stop for them. I’m not blaming the police. I’m staying what I believe is a fact: the police usually have protocols in place for car chases and there will likely be some kind of investigation. Like it or not, that is what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickey finn Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Don't be ridiculous! There was an old woman in Devon or Cornwall I think, who killed two people on a pedestrian crossing because she had lost her glasses and didn't see them. Should she be charged with murder? What did the police who were chasing her say ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hardie Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 These days so many services are being farmed out to private contractors. Not all of them doing a great job apparently, G4S for example. That aside, would it be a deterrent to criminals of this nature for them to be sent to a correctional facility abroad to serve their jail time there. A facility that they would never want to return to. I could imagine it saving the British tax payer a lot of money too Apart from the do gooders and human rights campaigners, would our hard working and law abiding citizens be in in favour of such an arrangement? Siberia should serve the purpose. Oh, hang on......... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7682942/russian-crime-lord-killed-family-lobster-caviar-prison/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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