Congestion charge in Sheffield

[geared]

How else do you kerb NOx pollution??

 

There needs to be a fairly drastic reduction as well.

[Planner1]

None as the costing figures are not forthcoming and what is given is only estimates. But.. going by the rejection of the Leeds proposed one because it is not good value for money, and as SCC have almost the same proposal I think it says a great deal.

 

One question given your expertise, do you think that this is the best way to control pollution given the investment that may be made? Not forgetting that it may take at least 3 years to implement, and that its well know in the UK that estimates usually fall well short of targets.

 

The only report I've seen about the Leeds rejection says that basically the government don't want to spend that much money there so they have asked Leeds to come back with a cheaper scheme. See: https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/leeds-clean-air-zone-plans-15416907

 

The government often describe things they don't want to fund as "not offering good value for money". Strangely enough they can decide to fund projects which have low benefit / cost ratios when it suits them (the politicians).

 

I think that targeting the highest polluters first is as good a way as any of approaching it. However, I'd suspect it might be necessary to charge cars as well in order to meet the air quality targets.

 

The problem is that nothing that practically can be done to deal with air pollution is going to be popular with the electorate (because it either puts restrictions on them or costs them money). Hence politicians are reluctant to grasp the nettle and do what's necessary if it's going to mean they won't get re-elected.

 

The government are saying they want it all in place by 2021. Bearing in mind that extensive public consultation will have to take place in 2019 and the scope of the project, what it actually contains and who's paying for it is as yet uncertain, that's quite a demanding target.

[geared]

Yea but when it comes to meeting targets the Government are hardly a shining example of efficiency and timeliness.

[apelike]

The problem is that nothing that practically can be done to deal with air pollution is going to be popular with the electorate (because it either puts restrictions on them or costs them money). Hence politicians are reluctant to grasp the nettle and do what's necessary if it's going to mean they won't get re-elected.

 

There is one practical thing I believe that would be popular with the electorate and that is to not to waste the estimated £56 billion on HS2. That money could be better used towards grants for upgrading vehicles and thus cutting pollution quickly. No need to waste money on putting the CAZ charging infrastructure in place then.

 

Yeah I know, pie in the sky stuff..

[actionman]

Good money Saturday night rubbish money every other night,that is a fact nowadays.people only really go out on Saturday nights.Flag downs ?,very few nowadays.to get more work you need a radio (or app)=£100 a week,it all adds up to not much more than £5 an hour so to afford a £60k electric cab is a big ask.The idea is good the reality of owning one is beyond reach

 

Every driver might end up scrapping their current diesel hackney carriage and switch over to private hire.

[ANGELFIRE1]

The only report I've seen about the Leeds rejection says that basically the government don't want to spend that much money there so they have asked Leeds to come back with a cheaper scheme. See: https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/leeds-clean-air-zone-plans-15416907

 

The government often describe things they don't want to fund as "not offering good value for money". Strangely enough they can decide to fund projects which have low benefit / cost ratios when it suits them (the politicians).

 

I think that targeting the highest polluters first is as good a way as any of approaching it. However, I'd suspect it might be necessary to charge cars as well in order to meet the air quality targets.

 

The problem is that nothing that practically can be done to deal with air pollution is going to be popular with the electorate (because it either puts restrictions on them or costs them money). Hence politicians are reluctant to grasp the nettle and do what's necessary if it's going to mean they won't get re-elected.

 

The government are saying they want it all in place by 2021. Bearing in mind that extensive public consultation will have to take place in 2019 and the scope of the project, what it actually contains and who's paying for it is as yet uncertain, that's quite a demanding target.

 

 

Would that kill off what is left of the City center. Meadowhell will be rubbing its hands in anticipation.

 

Angel1.

[SHFS6]

I think they need to do their homework. Was asking a taxi driver about why he had the hybrid Toyota Prius and not the full electric. Apparently the full electric vehicles are no good around here as mileage is drastically reduced because of the hills.

 

You may in any event see a lot more of the hybrids, the driver told me his fuel bill for the average month was £250 compared to the £950 he was spending when he had an Audi. That sort of saving will get around the drivers quickly.

 

I imagine same issue about range/mileage would apply to buses.

 

Whatever happens it's likely itwill be the passengers picking up the tab for either improved vehicles or the congestion charge.

 

It's another tax on the poor by the back door. People without cars tend to be doing less well in the first place.

[ads36]

Hang on, the driver you mention is saving £700 per month, but somehow you claim cleaner vehicles are a tax on the poor?

[Planner1]

Would that kill off what is left of the City center. Meadowhell will be rubbing its hands in anticipation.

 

The whole of the city is an air quality management area. There are certainly problems around the Meadowhall area.

 

They could easily charge vehicles in that area too if need be.

 

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I think they need to do their homework. Was asking a taxi driver about why he had the hybrid Toyota Prius and not the full electric. Apparently the full electric vehicles are no good around here as mileage is drastically reduced because of the hills.

They have done their homework, that's why taxi drivers are shortly going to have access to a fleet of electric cabs to try out and see whether they are practical here. They are also installing a number of rapid chargers at key locations which will help the electric cab drivers keep them charged throughout the day without losing too much time.

 

Battery technology and range of electric vehicles is improving all the time.

[woodview]

The whole of the city is an air quality management area. There are certainly problems around the Meadowhall area.

 

They could easily charge vehicles in that area too if need be.

 

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They have done their homework, that's why taxi drivers are shortly going to have access to a fleet of electric cabs to try out and see whether they are practical here. They are also installing a number of rapid chargers at key locations which will help the electric cab drivers keep them charged throughout the day without losing too much time.

 

Battery technology and range of electric vehicles is improving all the time.

Would it apply to National Express coaches pulling in at Sheffield / Meadowhall? That could also have a big negative consequence.