Congestion charge in Sheffield

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Funny how your' and their answer to these ’big negative consequences' is always more and increased taxes...

so you've got a few examples of these imaginary taxes?

 

when i started driving, about a thousand years ago. petrol was less than 75p/litre. it's now about £1.25. It hasn't kept up with inflation. petrol is cheaper now than i've ever seen it.

 

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As this is for commercial vehicles only then why not only allow vans/lorries in at certain times..maybe before/after most of the people have arrived/left.. fewer people to be affecdted by the fumes..?

why not ask hauliers to stop using  old polluting vehicles in our city centres?

 

1) the fumes don't disappear by magic

 

2) restricted access hours might just cause more headaches for the drivers/companies than simply assigning their new vehicles to the Sheffield-run.

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[truman]

39 minutes ago, ads36 said:

so you've got a few examples of these imaginary taxes?

 

when i started driving, about a thousand years ago. petrol was less than 75p/litre. it's now about £1.25. It hasn't kept up with inflation. petrol is cheaper now than i've ever seen it.

 

why not ask hauliers to stop using  old polluting vehicles in our city centres?

 

1) the fumes don't disappear by magic

 

2) restricted access hours might just cause more headaches for the drivers/companies than simply assigning their new vehicles to the Sheffield-run.

It was about a pound a litre 4 or 5 years ago... 10 years ago it was 86p a litre https://www.racfoundation.org/data/uk-pump-prices-over-time  86p then would be 1.12 now   http://www.in2013dollars.com/2009-GBP-in-2018?amount=0.86  so it's way over inflation

 

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4 hours ago, truman said:

As this is for commercial vehicles only then why not only allow vans/lorries in at certain times..maybe before/after most of the people have arrived/left.. fewer people to be affecdted by the fumes..?

The proposals had been put out for consultation with transport and taxi operators. Presumably, they were offered options and this one may have been considered the least likely to impact their bottom lines.

[Planner1]

10 hours ago, 26b-6 said:

Funny how your' and their answer to these ’big negative consequences' is always more and increased taxes...

The imperative to introduce these charging zones is coming from central government. Councils across the country are being forced to do this, despite them feeling it is a central government issue that should be addressed by them..

 

The aim is to reduce air pollution by forcing drivers / owners to upgrade the emission standards of their vehicles, as compliant vehicles will not pay any charge.

 

People are not generally going to spend money upgrading unless they can see a financial benefit. That's human nature.

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It certainly is a central government failing, not just ours but at an EU level as well.

 

They completely dropped the ball and have pretty much forced the local councils to clear up their mess.

[*_ash_*]

4 hours ago, Planner1 said:

The imperative to introduce these charging zones is coming from central government. Councils across the country are being forced to do this, despite them feeling it is a central government issue that should be addressed by them..

 

The aim is to reduce air pollution by forcing drivers / owners to upgrade the emission standards of their vehicles, as compliant vehicles will not pay any charge.

 

The aim is to reduce air pollution by forcing drivers / owners to upgrade the emission standards of their vehicles, as compliant vehicles will not pay any charge.

 

People are not generally going to spend money upgrading unless they can see a financial benefit. That's human nature.

top bold: Nor will out of town taxis, so everyone might as well go and buy a knackered old 58 plate licensed somewhere else, and run that. More pollution.

 

bottom bold: losing £87.50 a week in earnings isn't going to encourage me to buy a new vehicle, it's going to to skint me, so I'll have to do more hours to make up for it. More pollution.

 

 

 

 

[*_ash_*]

6 hours ago, Planner1 said:

The imperative to introduce these charging zones is coming from central government. Councils across the country are being forced to do this, despite them feeling it is a central government issue that should be addressed by them..

 

also,

 

ah bless em...😪

 

Why is this Labour council not opposing it? It makes absolutely no sense, and anyone with any sense can see it.

 

Well, since it's obviously a rhetorical question, I'll answer it: It's because it's called the 'Clean Air ...' so it sounds nice to voters... especially as taxis are gonna get stung, even though we were encouraged a few years ago to buy 'eco friendly diesels'.  I'm going to be stuck for 5 years now with my car, that is better on fuel than most hybrids, and far cleaner just visibly, from my days driving around town all day for my work.

 

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When questioned about the pollution around the station, it was stated by Cllr Jack Scott  'well, the non-electrification of the network has led to blah blah... rubbish. Inept decision making, poor planning, and figures pulled out of thin air... any one can see the problem here.

 

the pollution problem at the station can be seen in this film that I made,.. I doubt anyone will watch it all the way through. If you can manage to watch it 4 or 5 times in a row, you'll realise whether you could be a taxi driver in Sheffield 😂. The facebook and twit people win council arguments though, with thousands of posts blaming taxis. The problem here as shown is people queuing in the drop off area to pick up, hence causing a complete standstill every time a busy train arrives.

 

 

 

just noticed a spelling mistake in my closing conclusions

 

My spelling software doesn't work on win movie maker! 😆

[Planner1]

3 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

top bold: Nor will out of town taxis, so everyone might as well go and buy a knackered old 58 plate licensed somewhere else, and run that. More pollution.

 

 

 

 

 

Nope, that won’t work.

 

All taxis will have to comply, not just Sheffield licensed ones.

1 hour ago, *_ash_* said:

 

Why is this Labour council not opposing it? It makes absolutely no sense, and anyone with any sense can see it.

Because they can’t do anything about it.

 

The government have made the law such that any fines incurred by them for breaches of air quality standards can be passed on to the relevant local authorities.

 

I think that most people can actually see that it makes eminent sense to tackle poor air quality and that those who pollute most should be the first to be targeted.

2 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

 

The problem here as shown is people queuing in the drop off area to pick up, hence causing a complete standstill every time a busy train arrives.

 

The problem is normally caused by the dozens of taxis queuing up and sometimes blocking the junction to the main road so no-one can get in. 

 

The taxi drivers often sit with engines running causing the air quality to be very poor. 

2 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

 

When questioned about the pollution around the station, it was stated by Cllr Jack Scott  'well, the non-electrification of the network has led to blah blah... rubbish. Inept decision making, poor planning, and figures pulled out of thin air... any one can see the problem here.

Councillor Scott is correct. Diesel trains contribute to the air quality problem in the station area.

 

There’s nothing that he and the Council can do about government decisions not to electrify the lines through Sheffield.

 

The figures they use are no plucked out of thin air, they are from government research. Do you have some better evidenced data?

 

[26b-6]

13 hours ago, Planner1 said:

The imperative to introduce these charging zones is coming from central government. Councils across the country are being forced to do this, despite them feeling it is a central government issue that should be addressed by them..

I bet SCC are fuming! Powerless to do nothing but take more money from us motorists.   

As you say, nothing at all to do with every solution to these ’big negative consequences' requiring more and increased taxes...

13 hours ago, Planner1 said:

The aim is to reduce air pollution by forcing drivers / owners to upgrade the emission standards of their vehicles, as compliant vehicles will not pay any charge.

I see, how silly of me.  The aims of central government and SCC is because they care too much about our-well being, there's too much  love in their hearts.  How stupid of us all thinking the aim is just about increasing revenue...

13 hours ago, Planner1 said:

 

People are not generally going to spend money upgrading unless they can see a financial benefit. That's human nature.

Of course, central government ENFORCERS these measures and SCC are powerless to do anything about it. They’re purely there so we see the financial benefits to these ’big negative consequences'  It has nothing at all do with every solution requiring more and increased taxes from motorists...

6 hours ago, *_ash_* said:

also,

 

ah bless em...😪

 

Why is this Labour council not opposing it? It makes absolutely no sense, and anyone with any sense can see it.

 

Well, since it's obviously a rhetorical question, I'll answer it: It's because it's called the 'Clean Air ...' so it sounds nice to voters... especially as taxis are gonna get stung, even though we were encouraged a few years ago to buy 'eco friendly diesels'.  I'm going to be stuck for 5 years now with my car, that is better on fuel than most hybrids, and far cleaner just visibly, from my days driving around town all day for my work.

 

-

 

When questioned about the pollution around the station, it was stated by Cllr Jack Scott  'well, the non-electrification of the network has led to blah blah... rubbish. Inept decision making, poor planning, and figures pulled out of thin air... any one can see the problem here.

 

the pollution problem at the station can be seen in this film that I made,.. I doubt anyone will watch it all the way through. If you can manage to watch it 4 or 5 times in a row, you'll realise whether you could be a taxi driver in Sheffield 😂. The facebook and twit people win council arguments though, with thousands of posts blaming taxis. The problem here as shown is people queuing in the drop off area to pick up, hence causing a complete standstill every time a busy train arrives.

 

 

 

just noticed a spelling mistake in my closing conclusions

 

My spelling software doesn't work on win movie maker! 😆

Jeez man I waited that long for any action i thought I'd paused the video!

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We've know about the problems with diesel particulates for a long time now. Certainly since my old Volvo was built, back in 2000 - it wasn't the most efficient car on the market, the engine had been designed to produce fewer particles, rather than just optimise mpg.

 

Now, we've had plenty of time, and we've entirely failed to do any meaningful to address the issue. We've also known that local pollution charging had been on the cards for a similar long time.

 

Nobody has grounds to claim to be surprised that local authorities are talking about local pollution control measures. Unless 20 years isn't enough time to plan?