Congestion charge in Sheffield

[Resident]

The easy option to object to it is to let the scheme start then have all the chargeable vehicles stop at the boundary.

 

When goods and people aren't getting into the city and it dies on it's backside...

[Cyclone]

1- The 500 deaths/year statistic is pure guesswork/averaging/speculation. There isnt a doctor out there who can categorically state that this or that death was caused by air pollution.

 

2- This council have a track record of misleading the public.

 

3- Get the charge in by saying it wont affect private car users (who would be by far the most vocal). Once the infrastructure is in place introduce the charge to private car users too- nice and gently- just £1 to start with..then £2 then £5...then a loyalty scheme option £250/yr

 

It's not guesswork. If you think statistics is guesswork then you've fundamentally misunderstood how it works.

[InigoMontoya]

The charge will mean a single daily charge for heavily polluting buses, coaches, taxis, HGVs and light goods vehicles (LGVs) to drive through the city. Buses, coaches, taxis, HGVs and LGVs cause disproportionately more pollution and often criss-cross the city with multiple trips.

 

Isn't the point of buses they criss-cross the city centre with multiple trips going to and from terminal destinations?

 

Isn't that the point of a bus service?

[ads36]

congestion charge?

 

good, get on with it.

 

better bus and tram lanes while we're at it - buses and trams shouldn't have to sit it queues of cars.

[lil-minx92]

It's not guesswork. If you think statistics is guesswork then you've fundamentally misunderstood how it works.

 

Its as good as. Any statistic that cant be proved or disproved is as good as made up. Make up a number high enough to scare people but not too high as to be disbelieved.

[Planner1]

I wonder how much all this charging infrastructure costs to install in the first place too??

 

Not massively expensive, relatively speaking (a few millions), as they are proposing for it to apply only within the inner ring road, which has a relatively small number of entry points, so they won't need huge numbers of cameras. The technology is already out there.

 

They are asking the government for £40m, but the overall costs include the retrofitting of buses and taxis, which will be expensive.

 

There may be more detailed costs in the Cabinet report which isn't published yet.

[Cyclone]

Its as good as. Any statistic that cant be proved or disproved is as good as made up. Make up a number high enough to scare people but not too high as to be disbelieved.

 

I think this just demonstrates a fundamental ignorance of science.

[Fougasse]

So it's a fair bet that bus fares will rise again either before or after 2019...?

[Planner1]

So it's a fair bet that bus fares will rise again either before or after 2019...?

Not necessarily as a result of the charge.

 

The government funding bid includes the bus fleet being retrofitted with equipment which would make them compliant, so they would not pay the charge.

 

However, if the new emissions control gear has a negative effect on operating costs, that might potentially be passed on to the customer.

[Fougasse]

Not necessarily as a result of the charge.

 

The government funding bid includes the bus fleet being retrofitted with equipment which would make them compliant, so they would not pay the charge.

 

However, if the new emissions control gear has a negative effect on operating costs, that might potentially be passed on to the customer.

 

Yeah, but I'm cynical enough to be pretty sure that First and/or Stagecoach will simply use this as an excuse to put fares up anyway tbh.

 

Put it this way, I'll be VERY surprised if the fares don't rise whatever happens.