Second referendum time? SF Poll

[Top Cats Hat]

7 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

We have plenty of money to pay their benefits,

You do know that we would actually have less money in the pot without immigrants?

 

Don't you?

[Cyclone]

Don't be silly, brexiters aren't interested in facts.  They're just part of project reality.

9 hours ago, ricgem2002 said:

you couldnt care less that we should take in anybody jumping on a boat risking their lifes to get here when they are in a nice country and could easily be looked after there ?remind me again why the french should shirk their responsibilty?

 

In 2017 the French received 100,000 refugee applications, they rejected 65,000 (73%)

In the same year the UK received 35,000 applicants, 68% denied.

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Top EU countries receiving asylum applications, 2017

Country of application	Total applications
Germany	199,200
Italy	128,800
France	98,800
Greece	48,000
United Kingdom (Home Office data)	33,500
Spain	30,700

 

 

So, it looks rather like the UK is shirking it's responsibilities doesn't it.  Lets see if that gets you all hot under the collar like the nonsense you imagine.

 

Edited December 17, 2018 by Cyclone

[RJRB]

22 hours ago, BrexitGuy said:

Yes, lets allow an untapped amount of people in. We have plenty of money to pay their benefits, plenty of housing available and our hospitals aren't under any pressure whatsoever. 

In fact, let's all enjoy watching our taxes spent on these excellent new members of society, whom are all doctors and trained NHS staff anyway. 

Oh, and while we're on the subject, if any UK resident says this isn't really acceptable, let's brand them racist.

 

Pass the nut milk Keith......🚴

 

There have been migrants around the world since time immemorial.

At least make some attempt to understand the driving forces behind it.

War,famine ,economic improvement,Colonial attachments,persecution.

A minimum of research on your part will show that they are not ALL heading for the U.K.,and those that do,are not ALL getting benefits,free housing and NHS treatment.

Its the sweeping generalisations that need to be questioned by all right minded people 

The demonisation of various nations or groups on the back of inflammatory journalism is just plain wrong,but is all too prevalent.

 

 

Edited December 17, 2018 by RJRB

[Cyclone]

I think that the facts have scared brexitguy off.  Brexiteers don't deal very well with reality.

[BrexitGuy]

16 minutes ago, Cyclone said:

I think that the facts have scared brexitguy off.  Brexiteers don't deal very well with reality.

Yep, sat in a corner wobbling my bottom lip x

[Halibut]

26 minutes ago, BrexitGuy said:

Yep, sat in a corner wobbling my bottom lip x

Did you not know that EU immigrants contribute 2,300 pounds more to the economy than the average UK adult, or do you know that and ignore it because it doesn't fit with your distorted little Englander mentality?

[RollingJ]

4 minutes ago, Halibut said:

Did you not know that EU immigrants contribute 2,300 pounds more to the economy than the average UK adult, or do you know that and ignore it because it doesn't fit with your distorted little Englander mentality?

Source please?

[BrexitGuy]

3 minutes ago, Halibut said:

Did you not know that EU immigrants contribute 2,300 pounds more to the economy than the average UK adult, or do you know that and ignore it because it doesn't fit with your distorted little Englander mentality?

I'm not biting. I am now fully aware that some members of this forum get some strange kind of gratification from questioning other people's mental state.

So yes, if it makes you feel better, my distorted little mental state is just as it was on the last check up x

[Halibut]

4 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Source please?

The governments Migration Advisory Committee commisioned Oxford Economics to do a study -  https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbba

[BrexitGuy]

6 minutes ago, Halibut said:

The governments Migration Advisory Committee commisioned Oxford Economics to do a study -  https://www.oxfordeconomics.com/recent-releases/8747673d-3b26-439b-9693-0e250df6dbba

Did you read the full report? Especially the bit about income. 

The £2300 analysis comes at a cost. The cost being each and every immigrant earning the following;

 

AT WHAT INCOME LEVEL DO MIGRANT HOUSEHOLDS BECOME NET 
CONTRIBUTORS?
There is no definitive income level at which an additional migrant can be 
said to “break even” in their contribution to the UK’s public finances. The 
fiscal contribution a household makes is determined by more than just their 
income level. Factors such as whether they have dependent children or a 
working partner, and their likelihood to claim any benefits to which they are 
entitled, also play an important role. Migrants from outside and inside the EEA, and from OMS and NMS, have different characteristics which affected their net contributions in 2016/17. 
We conducted a specimen household analysis to explore the break-even 
level of household income (Fig. 14). We focused on four hypothetical migrant households, representing different stages in the lifecycle, to illustrate how the “starting point of positive contribution” to the UK’s public finances moves around over the lifecycle, in terms of the annual household gross income required to reach this point.
A single, working 20-year-old with no dependent children, for example, 
must earn a gross income between £10,000 and £15,000 per annum to 
become a net contributor to the public finances (HH1 in Fig. 14). But later 
in life, if this individual lives with a working partner and two dependent children, their “break-even” household income looks rather different: the fiscal implications of raising children mean the household needs to earn around £45,000 to contribute positively to public finances (HH2). Once those children are no longer financially dependent, the same two working parents, aged 55, would have a different relationship with the state again: they would require a combined gross income of around £25,000 per annum, on average, to make a positive net fiscal contribution that year (HH3). And once the pair have retired, aged 70, they would require a much higher household income of over £90,000 to support the level of annual public spending they would incur (HH4).25 The very high break-even point for household four reflects large health and pension costs, as well as the loss of liability for National Insurance contributions for people over 65.

In short, it's highly unlikely that the majority of immigrants will fall into this bracket, especially as a higher population reduces the amount of higher paid jobs.