Waldo Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share Posted November 17, 2018 Pretty unequivocal that, not "some" women or "some" men just women are not as good as men. But by the same token, it doesn't state "all" women or "all" men; and without the presence of any qualifier, for me, I'd interpret it to mean a general tendency. ---------- Post added 17-11-2018 at 12:34 ---------- Isn't this often the case when internet fury ensues over some comment, though? Most people speak in shorthand, omitting words that can actually make a big difference. We need to be careful when casting judgement. Yeah, it just goes to hilight the importance of clear communication, that isn't so susceptible to misinterpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 But by the same token, it doesn't state "all" women or "all" men; and without the presence of any qualifier, for me, I'd interpret it to mean a general tendency. ---------- Post added 17-11-2018 at 12:34 ---------- Yeah, it just goes to hilight the importance of clear communication, that isn't so susceptible to misinterpretation. Depends why / where / when / how you are making that communication though. Most people will make sloppy off the cuff comments day-to-day, that could be mis-interpretted if they were read by a large critical audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 But by the same token, it doesn't state "all" women or "all" men; and without the presence of any qualifier, for me, I'd interpret it to mean a general tendency. ---------- Post added 17-11-2018 at 12:34 ---------- Yeah, it just goes to hilight the importance of clear communication, that isn't so susceptible to misinterpretation. Isn't this often the case when internet fury ensues over some comment, though? Most people speak in shorthand, omitting words that can actually make a big difference. We need to be careful when casting judgement. Do you both agree with the sentiment that women are not as good as men at the game - or driving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Do you both agree with the sentiment that women are not as good as men at the game - or driving? I dont know what the other poster thinks. I'd hazard a guess that men are statistically better on average at chess then women, based purely on the handful of chess champions I have heard of. But that could also be because 'women' find it boring and don't play, or some other reason. As for driving, I believe 'women' are statistically safer, whereas 'men' are better at motorsport. In both cases I'm referring to an 'average'. For me the interesting point is only the discussion about accepting or denying, that, taken as a whole, there are behavioural differences between genders. I believe there are, and dont believe its sexist to think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penistone999 Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Let's assume that men and women are different; not just physically, but in our general propensity to excel in different areas... Why is mentioning the fact that men are better than women at certain things (and vice versa) mysoginistic? Just curious; as (a bit randomly, oh no, Waldo's off on one again) Kay Burley played the opening move for Magnus Carlsen in round 6 of the World Chess Champs; and previously Kay has had a bit of a twitter spat with British GM, Nigel Short, over his comments on the relative skill levels of men vs women in chess. Kay makes the opening move: https://www.chessable.com/blog/2018/11/16/kay-burley-chess-sky-news/ Kay suggesting Nigel is mysoginistic on Twitter: Article in the Independant: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/nigel-short-slammed-by-leading-female-chess-players-for-saying-women-are-not-as-good-as-men-at-the-10188487.html Its not , and never has been . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted November 17, 2018 Author Share Posted November 17, 2018 Do you both agree with the sentiment that women are not as good as men at the game - or driving? If you look at the current top 100 players on the world (https://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=men), there is one lady, at position 91. Just considering that one statistic in isolation, you can see how people would conclude that men are better than women at chess. To be fair however, you would need to consider many other factors before jumping to conclusions. For example, how many people of each gender play chess? If for example, there was only 1 female for every 100 chess players, then only having 1 lady in the top 100 wouldn't mean much. My gut feeling however is that (on average) men's brains work in such a way that makes chess attractive to them, and makes them (on average) better at the game. It's not really important though, we all (both individually and collectively by gender) have different strengths and weaknesses, and should very much value our own nature and appreciate our own strengths, and weaknesses (and not consider that we are better or worse people because of our natural inclinations and talents etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramjit Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 The misogyny occurs when you state, as Nigel Short did, "that women are not as good as men at the game - or driving". It is the implication that all men are better than all women at chess and driving that's both sexist and, to a certain extent misogynistic. Men ARE better than women at chess. The world rankings show this. Men are also better at running, jumping, driving, fighting (combat sports), Snooker, football, basketball and most other sports. Its a fact and calling people misogynistic for pointing this out is quite funny when you think about. Disclaimer. I don't hate women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Shaw Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Men are different from women. Is anyone arguing that they're not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phanerothyme Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 """ She also pointed out that former women’s world champion, Judit Polgar, had beaten Mr Short before. """ On 11/17/2018 at 6:55 PM, Ramjit said: Men ARE better than women at chess. The world rankings show this. Men are also better at running, jumping, driving, fighting (combat sports), Snooker, football, basketball and most other sports. Its a fact and calling people misogynistic for pointing this out is quite funny when you think about. Disclaimer. I don't hate women It's really not as simple as you frame it. The differences in abilities between men and women are much less pronounced than the differences between individual men or individual women. Men have historically had more time and money invested in developing their talents over centuries, and in most cultures occupy the gatekeeper positions within every pursuit, career and scholarly endeavour. We've come a long way since the 18th century, certainly, but to pluck an example at random, Cambridge University only started awarding degrees to women after the second world war, and we still have a long way to go even today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaati Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 (edited) Post(s) have been removed because they could be considered to breach our Terms of Service or Forum Rules. Any further and accounts will be suspended. Edited November 26, 2018 by Groose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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