K1Machine Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I dont know if this man did rape the teenager but to suggest that wearing provocative underwear is in some way consent is outrageous in this day and age. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46207304 Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I agree. Totally appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I dont know if this man did rape the teenager but to suggest that wearing provocative underwear is in some way consent is outrageous in this day and age. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46207304 Your thoughts? Did you read this bit - "The 27-year-old man was found not guilty of rape"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halibut Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Did you read this bit - "The 27-year-old man was found not guilty of rape"? Doesn't mean he didn't do it; the underwear and the comments made about it may have been enough to convince the jury that the victim 'wanted it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Disgusting victim shaming. No place in modern society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 That's Ireland for you still holding onto outdated religious ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 That's Ireland for you still holding onto outdated religious ideas The defence lawyer said it - not Ireland. ---------- Post added 17-11-2018 at 11:11 ---------- Doesn't mean he didn't do it; the underwear and the comments made about it may have been enough to convince the jury that the victim 'wanted it'. If you go down the route that anyone charged with rape is guilty regardless of the findings of the court you are on very dodgy ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 If you go down the route that anyone charged with rape is guilty regardless of the findings of the court you are on very dodgy ground. I don't see anyone making that connection. The debate is around whether introduction of the woman's underwear as evidence is OK. Do you agree that women's underwear should not be used as evidence in a rape trial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest makapaka Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I don't see anyone making that connection. The debate is around whether introduction of the woman's underwear as evidence is OK. Do you agree that women's underwear should not be used as evidence in a rape trial? Apart from post 4 which makes that exact connection when it says “doesn’t mean he didn’t do it” He was found not guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) As there has been due judicial process and a verdit of not guilty the "victim" in this matter was the 27 year old man accused of rape. I dont think any lawyer is saying if your wear such underwear that is consent. However, we are talking about a defence argument against allegations of a very serious crime. It is certainly an arguable point and should be. 17 year old girl meets guy and ends up in someone's bedroom. Sexual intercorse takes place and they claim it was not consented to and they were raped. Now, what if that 17 year old girl was evidenced to be wearing Ann Summers crotchless knickers and a peekaboo bra. What if perhaps they were were wearing a dominatrix outfit and whip under their clothing. Should the court be debarred from raising these key facts? Should they be discounted as evidence when challenging whether a girl went out with an intent of finding a man to have sex with? Should they be discounted as evidence when the defence attempt to cast doubt on the the Girl's non-consensual allegations? Its a slippery slope for government to edit what a court advocate can and cannot use as evidence when presenting their case. That's what the prosecution counsel and judge is there for. THEY should have the choice over whether something is relevant. Edited November 17, 2018 by ECCOnoob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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