A new influx of boat people from france.

[SnailyBoy]

23 minutes ago, Delayed said:

That's because people can claim Asylum at any point in their immigration journey. So it's possible for someone to have entered legally with the correct visa and decides to claim Asylum. 

 

Those that do try and evade border force and end up claiming Asylum when stood in front of border force are notified of their illegal entry into the country

 

Ah, the key there is the evasion of Border Force officers. So if when they land on the beach/or picked up by a cutter they simply ask for asylum, they are covered by the Statutory Defence of the Section 31 Immigration and Asylum Act 1999?

 

Obviously that's the simple version.

[hobinfoot]

5 hours ago, L00b said:

"Still no answer" because it's already been answered multiple times in the thread, besides being also answered in the link which I posted today. Happy reading.

I read the link earlier and found it interesting. But according to the EURODAC agreement a member state can return a person whose asylum request has been turned down can be returned to the member state in which they were fingerprinte.

 

[ricgem2002]

37 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

I read the link earlier and found it interesting. But according to the EURODAC agreement a member state can return a person whose asylum request has been turned down can be returned to the member state in which they were fingerprinte.

 

id like to know how many of these safe countries have fingerprinted theses refugees 

[Longcol]

1 hour ago, ricgem2002 said:

id like to know how many of these safe countries have fingerprinted theses refugees 

Presumably the UK isn't fingerprinting  people either unless they make a failed claim for asylum elsewhere and have to be returned to the UK. 

[L00b]

2 hours ago, hobinfoot said:

I read the link earlier and found it interesting. But according to the EURODAC agreement a member state can return a person whose asylum request has been turned down can be returned to the member state in which they were fingerprinte.

 

Indeed, and the UK regularly avails of that provision, would you believe. After the claim has been assessed (and the appeal of the refusal -if filed- subsequently dismissed). Which is exactly how it should be: according to the rule of law.

 

I'm glad to see that we seem to have moved on from the "pick'em up and drop'em off on t'Continent" level of arguments. What wonders a little factual information can do.

 

Now, to get back to your last point: until 29 March 2019, then not anymore, because the UK automatically falls out of the EURODAC agreement when its EU membership ends.

 

Brexit: the gift that keeps on giving

[Pyrotequila]

13 hours ago, Cyclone said:

 

How can anyone still believe this nonsense. 

Have you ever bothered to investigate the level of support someone claiming refugee status will get?  Or perhaps you imagine that illegal economic migrants who aren't claiming asylum can somehow get free housing and money?

My other half works for the council and so knows in depth the free hand outs that they are given for the first 12 months....food vouchers, housing, free mobile, council tax, clothes vouchers, gas and electric.

 

Why wouldn't they try and come here?

[tinfoilhat]

9 minutes ago, Pyrotequila said:

My other half works for the council and so knows in depth the free hand outs that they are given for the first 12 months....food vouchers, housing, free mobile, council tax, clothes vouchers, gas and electric.

 

Why wouldn't they try and come here?

So asylum seekers in France or Holland aren't afforded this? Do they leave them on the streets to starve?

 

Ross Kemp did a programme on asylum seekers. Once they get here they do get basic hand outs but they can't work and can't always get family across. I cant remember all the details (maybe it's available on catchup or something) but it didnt sound a lot of laughs. Given the ever increasing intolerance to foreigners, and risk they're taking getting across the channel- at this time of year in particular - I'm amazed they try.

 

EDIT - if memory serves the Germans give them loads more. 

Edited January 3, 2019 by tinfoilhat

[RJRB]

1 hour ago, Pyrotequila said:

My other half works for the council and so knows in depth the free hand outs that they are given for the first 12 months....food vouchers, housing, free mobile, council tax, clothes vouchers, gas and electric.

 

Why wouldn't they try and come here?

Given the basics to live.....scandalous!

Edited January 3, 2019 by RJRB

[Mister M]

2 hours ago, Pyrotequila said:

My other half works for the council and so knows in depth the free hand outs that they are given for the first 12 months....food vouchers, housing, free mobile, council tax, clothes vouchers, gas and electric.

 

Why wouldn't they try and come here?

A number of years ago in my capacity as a support worker I worked with a number of young asylum seekers (mainly from Afghanistan though some were from Sudan) who were housed by an agency which specialised in providing accommodation for asylum seekers & I can say from first hand experience that the accommodation was uniformly grim. The rooms they lived in were tiny, and the shared spaces were inadequate and squalid. The food parcels they received - not vouchers consisted of dried pasta, tinned tomatoes, oats and dried milk. Tinned fruit was a luxury.

Things may have changed since my days of supporting vulnerable people, but I do not recognise the picture you paint of 'why wouldn't they try and come here', as if they live off the fat of the land.

One of the young people that I supported, and I still think about him to this day, saw his mother father and members of his extended family shot before his very eyes. He was 16 when this happened. Please bear in mind the trauma and utter devastation that many who are coming to this country experience.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Mister M

[woodmally]

10 hours ago, Mister M said:

A number of years ago in my capacity as a support worker I worked with a number of young asylum seekers (mainly from Afghanistan though some were from Sudan) who were housed by an agency which specialised in providing accommodation for asylum seekers & I can say from first hand experience that the accommodation was uniformly grim. The rooms they lived in were tiny, and the shared spaces were inadequate and squalid. The food parcels they received - not vouchers consisted of dried pasta, tinned tomatoes, oats and dried milk. Tinned fruit was a luxury.

Things may have changed since my days of supporting vulnerable people, but I do not recognise the picture you paint of 'why wouldn't they try and come here', as if they live off the fat of the land.

One of the young people that I supported, and I still think about him to this day, saw his mother father and members of his extended family shot before his very eyes. He was 16 when this happened. Please bear in mind the trauma and utter devastation that many who are coming to this country experience.

I for one am not discounting the trauma that these people suffered. However why would you compound that trauma by travelling further across the choppy waters of the English Channel when your in safe France?