A new influx of boat people from france.

[nikki-red]

Can we stay on topic please?

Also, if this thread descends into further racism or xenophobia it will be closed.

Edited December 1, 2018 by nikki-red

[Hots on]

To anyone wanting to cross the Adriatic sea on a dingy, I'd say don't be Sicily! 

[carosio]

4 hours ago, Halibut said:

If you could be a little more specific about what the 'Roma gangs' do, then I'd be glad to have a go at answering your question.

From the Guardian 2017, not so much Roma but East European gangs:

 

NCA says: “Criminals from the Balkans are increasingly expanding their network of influence, forming direct relationships with cocaine suppliers in Latin America. The threat faced from Albanian crime groups is significant. London is their primary hub, but they are established across the UK. ”

The report says Albanians make up just 0.8% of organised criminals in the UK, behind British nationals (61.6%); unknown nationalities (23.5%); Romanians (1.5%); Pakistanis (1.2%) and Polish (0.9%). But it warns that the impact of Albanian criminals was particularly troubling because of their readiness to use serious violence."

 

Back on topic, I know an Iranian asylum seeker (medical professional) and his wife and daughter, they applied through the normal channels and were accepted. Back home they adopted the Christian faith and as a consequence had to escape the country. They, like many of their compatriots actually admire our Queen and country and have no problem integrating.

[Longcol]

On 11/28/2018 at 10:59 AM, ANGELFIRE1 said:

There is a rising number of people crossing the Channel, even though the weather has been terrible.  It raises a couple of questions, why do they pass through several Countries where they could settle, just to get to France, then onto our shores. What should we do with the people we rescue from the seas. If we allow them to come here, does it encourage even more to risk death to land on British soil, knowing if they get here the chance of removing them is almost zero. What is the great attraction of this Country that you would risk death to get here.

 

Angel1

Does an estimated 195 people attempting to cross by boat in October and November represent an "influx"?

 

It's absolutely miniscule compared to numbers landing in other European countries, but won't stop the myth that "they're all trying to get to the UK".

[phil752]

6 minutes ago, Longcol said:

Does an estimated 195 people attempting to cross by boat in October and November represent an "influx"?

 

It's absolutely miniscule compared to numbers landing in other European countries, but won't stop the myth that "they're all trying to get to the UK".

It may may be but the question is still unanswered

[*_ash_*]

11 hours ago, makapaka said:

What are these “Roma gangs” supposed to doing that so offends you?

 

You're right - no one is immune from criticism where it’s due - but why are you just choosing to criticise your own perceived behaviour of Roma people? A group of people that make up about 0.3% of the population of the Uk?

 

 

 

Not mentioning roma here in my post, but this bolded sentence shows a huge 'head in the clouds' statement, for me anyway, in the way you worded this post (implying small percentage means nothing/incapable of causing concern)

 

It's certainly the case,  that a small percentage of people (any group of people btw, regardless of which country,  or what nationality, race, rich/poor, colour or religion) can cause havoc in a society.

 

On a area/town/city scale for example, a very small percentage of people can be responsible for a very high percentage of crime.

On a country scale for example, a very very small percentage of people can be responsible for almost all the crime.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2018 by *_ash_*
added for clarity and underlined to emphasize

[phil752]

1 hour ago, Longcol said:

Does an estimated 195 people attempting to cross by boat in October and November represent an "influx"?

 

It's absolutely miniscule compared to numbers landing in other European countries, but won't stop the myth that "they're all trying to get to the UK".

that's the amount they have caught

[Longcol]

39 minutes ago, phil752 said:

that's the amount they have caught

Your source?

 

The Daily Telegraph says 100 people attempted the crossing the last 3 months.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/27/border-force-cutter-could-relocated-english-channel-tackle-growing/

 

Sod all compared to Greece, Italy, France, Spain etc - but it won't stop some people saying that every refugee / asylum seeker / whatever is bound for the UK.

 

 

[phil752]

1 minute ago, Longcol said:

Your source?

 

The Daily Telegraph says 100 people attempted the crossing the last 3 months.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/27/border-force-cutter-could-relocated-english-channel-tackle-growing/

 

Sod all compared to Greece, Italy, France, Spain etc - but it won't stop some people saying that every refugee / asylum seeker / whatever is bound for the UK.

 

 

haven't got a quote just sailed the channel a lot, trust me it is not hard, surprised it has took this long for it to be reported

[tzijlstra]

7 hours ago, phil752 said:

haven't got a quote just sailed the channel a lot, trust me it is not hard, surprised it has took this long for it to be reported

It isn't hard and it isn't the only way it is happening either. I have repeatedly said this: Getting into Britain over water is easy, there are thousands of coves, small harbours, beaches and so on where you can drop off completely unseen. Recreational sailors know this, the coastguard knows this and now, seemingly, the press finally seem to have twigged as well.