Top Cats Hat Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Michael_W said: who do you think would potentially cause the most problems for you and the Guardianista to be disgusted, the right wing working class Leavers If today's poor turnout in London is anything to go by, right wing working class leavers will simply serve as comedy value to most normal people and a source of easy overtime for the Met. The problem with the far right in the UK is that when they reach a critical mass they all start falling out over money and positions of influence. Brexit will be no different. Its demise will be greeted by a huge sigh of relief by most people and will once again revert to being an obsession of a few cranks, xenophobes and racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_W Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 16 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said: If today's poor turnout in London is anything to go by, right wing working class leavers will simply serve as comedy value to most normal people and a source of easy overtime for the Met. The problem with the far right in the UK is that when they reach a critical mass they all start falling out over money and positions of influence. Brexit will be no different. Its demise will be greeted by a huge sigh of relief by most people and will once again revert to being an obsession of a few cranks, xenophobes and racists. You need to get out more fella, the obsession is exclusively from people like you, your postings on here are a dead give away, do you think everyone right of the oaf that is Corbyn is an extremist ? The far right as you call them has a lot of sympathisers who I would label as normal people, people who would not consider for one moment of going on a march with UKIP, Tommy Robinson or anyone else because they just get on with their everyday lives ….. do you struggle to understand that concept from behind your keyboard ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Michael_W said: The far right as you call them has a lot of sympathisers who I would label as normal people, You would, but I doubt many would agree with you. The far right have never gained much traction in the UK and if you think that Brexit is the magic issue which will see its fortunes improve you are going to be disappointed. If on the eve of the demise of Brexit, that bunch of clowns was the best the right could manage to get out, it doesn't look good for them. I believe that some of the Wee Tommy Robinson fanboy marches attracted more support! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 20 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said: Brexit will be no different. Its demise will be greeted by a huge sigh of relief by most people and will once again revert to being an obsession of a few cranks, xenophobes and racists. Brexit was voted for by a majority of people, not just the types you like to constantly highlight. The far right will gain from comments like yours. Normal people have been excluded from mainstream politics, and are sick of being ignored or insulted. Scummy organisations will exploit that. Brexit wasn't just a vote on that issue, it was an expression of peoples' disillusionment with the sorry state of our parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, woodview said: The far right will gain from comments like yours. Normal people have been excluded from mainstream politics Apart from 16-18 year olds, how on earth are normal people being excluded from mainstream politics? The far right will gain very little from this whichever way it goes. Politically it has never resonated with the British people and organisationally, even when handed something on a plate they end up fighting with each other and end up dropping the ball. Look at the damage Wee Tommy Robinson's involvement with UKIP has already done when they should be at the crest of a wave with no Brexit now looking the most likely outcome. Where is the Brexit Betrayal fightback outside of Rees-Mogg and his little band of Tory MPs Feeling disillusioned will not be helped by leaving the EU which will not only hit many leave voters first economically, but will make them feel even more disillusioned that they have been cheated. Given a choice between feeling cheated and being reasonably well off and feeling cheated and facing financial hardship, possible food shortages and the NHS unable to supply many drugs most people would prefer the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Back on topic please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 This is an interesting opinion piece on the 'yellow 'vests' by Kenan Malik in the Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/09/fear-cultural-loss-fuelling-anger-with-elites-across-europe The article will be relevant to 3 or 3 prolific posters on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) I think the question is, how do we get politicians to listen to the ordinary, 'little' people? To say 'we live in a democracy' is not the answer - as being required to stick a cross in a box once every 5 years and then being totally ignored the rest of the time, is not democracy, it's an excuse for democracy. . . in other words a con, and people are beginning to wake up and realise it. The working class have had to fight every step of the way to gain ground, it's the only way they have seen real, beneficial change. But now it's being eroded by a class of neoliberals who are quietly dismantling rights and safeguards which were so hard won, and the gap between the richest and the poorest widens. The French are fighting back and letting their displeasure be shown in no uncertain terms, and Macron has moved. Wages , taxes down. We on the other hand are grumblers and the writers of very stiff letters to the Guardian. Consequently we have some of the worst social reforms in Europe, as the elite trample all over us. Edited December 12, 2018 by Anna B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Well the people won, they got some massive concessions on the likes of minimum wage, pensions off Macron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 12/12/2018 at 10:14 AM, melthebell said: Well the people won, they got some massive concessions on the likes of minimum wage, pensions off Macron People power; very effective when done right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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