Nice - price motorists off the roads

[Ontarian1981]

 Tell you what folks, I have been banged up pretty good twice by red light runners,

Of course, the guys who hit me got off lightly on the injury front. Oh, how I wish they had been riding bicycles on the days of the accidents. Lol

[Cyclone]

10 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

About 57% according to research.

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/08/40-cyclists-jump-red-light-in-30-seconds--video/

So to quote the relevant bit.

According to the Institute of Advanced Motorists, 57% of cyclists admit to running red lights. A 2013 YouGov poll found that 35% of cyclists admit to ignoring red lights at least “occasionally.”

 

So 35% when it's 'research' by a group that don't have a vested interest in motoring.

In London I can totally believe it, but I doubt that it's the same nationwide.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Cyclone

[Cyclone]

A survey of motorists has 25% of them admitting to running a red light occasionally.

In 2016 police forces reported an 8% increase in the number of tickets issued for it, so it's increasingly common.

14 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Not everyone works in the city centre, or within a few miles of their workplace. Of I cycled my commute, it would be around twice as long, and I'd need a shower on arrival. 

 

While I'm touched by your concern for my health, I do exercise. By driving, I spent less time commuting and therefore more leisure time to do what I want, including ways to exercise that I find more enjoyable than cycling on my commute.

What you said previously was "Cycling isn't quicker unless you have a short journey within the central 2 mile radius of the city during rush hour. "

That's not correct though is it.  There are many commutes where driving is quicker, or the only practical option, but you were being far too conservative with your distance in what you said earlier.

I suspect it's closer to 5 miles on a city centre commute before the car becomes the quicker option, although the exact route would be important of course.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Cyclone

[WiseOwl182]

10 hours ago, Cyclone said:

A survey of motorists has 25% of them admitting to running a red light occasionally.

In 2016 police forces reported an 8% increase in the number of tickets issued for it, so it's increasingly common.

 

What's higher, 57% or 25%?

10 hours ago, Cyclone said:

So to quote the relevant bit.

 

 

 

So 35% when it's 'research' by a group that don't have a vested interest in motoring.

 

What's higher, 35% or 25%? 

 

Whichever number you choose to cherry pick, my statement that cyclists run proportionately more red lights was correct. In another thread, you insisted research put a lid to all debate. Why not so on this thread? Or does it depend on if you agree with it or not? In this case, they're actually indisputable numbers too.

10 hours ago, Cyclone said:

 

In London I can totally believe it, but I doubt that it's the same nationwide.

 

By your own rules, you're not allowed doubts, opinions or beliefs. If you're going to express a doubt you have to factually cross check it with verifiable research first. Where's your proof behind this claim?

Edited January 10, 2019 by WiseOwl182

[WiseOwl182]

10 hours ago, Cyclone said:

 

What you said previously was "Cycling isn't quicker unless you have a short journey within the central 2 mile radius of the city during rush hour. "

That's not correct though is it.  There are many commutes where driving is quicker, or the only practical option, but you were being far too conservative with your distance in what you said earlier.

I suspect it's closer to 5 miles on a city centre commute before the car becomes the quicker option, although the exact route would be important of course.

Of course it all depends, but the vast majority of journeys are quicker by car, especially when you have to factor in getting changed, possibly having to shower, etc. I suspect it's closer to 2 miles than 5. Maybe 3 in rush hour.

[MAC33]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46822472

 

Speed cameras damaged,lots of em!

[SnailyBoy]

20 hours ago, WiseOwl182 said:

About 57% according to research.

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/08/40-cyclists-jump-red-light-in-30-seconds--video/

Mmmmmm, did you dig a little deeper into the 'research'?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2012/may/14/cycling-red-light-jumping-iam-survey

[WiseOwl182]

14 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

Mmmmmm, did you dig a little deeper into the 'research'?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2012/may/14/cycling-red-light-jumping-iam-survey

Cyclone's own chosen source still put it at 35%.

Edited January 10, 2019 by WiseOwl182

[SnailyBoy]

21 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said:

Cyclone's own chosen source still put it at 35%.

Here's the thing, the 'research' you were quick to refer to also mentions that that 32% of drivers also admit to jumping red lights.

 

So we have 35% of cyclists from one source and 32% of drivers from another source.

 

Bearing in mind your initial claim was based on your own personal experience 'driving the roads of Sheffield'.

 

Are you still sticking with it?

 

 

[WiseOwl182]

35 minutes ago, SnailyBoy said:

Here's the thing, the 'research' you were quick to refer to also mentions that that 32% of drivers also admit to jumping red lights.

 

So we have 35% of cyclists from one source and 32% of drivers from another source.

 

Bearing in mind your initial claim was based on your own personal experience 'driving the roads of Sheffield'.

 

Are you still sticking with it?

 

 

Is 35% higher than 32%? I doubt it's that close anyway, but even if you want to cherry pick, my statement that proportionately more cyclists than car drivers jump red lights is still correct.