medusa Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: The curious thing is that his rigorous and excellent approach to the advancement of science did not stop him holding predudiced non-scientific personal views that it appears were based on his personal experience with black employees. His rigorous and excellent approach to science may have never applied to anything else apart from one molecule in his entire working life. One could work on one molecule irrelevant of prejudices, biases and personal hatreds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, medusa said: His rigorous and excellent approach to science may have never applied to anything else apart from one molecule in his entire working life. One could work on one molecule irrelevant of prejudices, biases and personal hatreds. Yes that is true. It’s who I guess a good scientist can also have powerful religious views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hardie Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 6 hours ago, I1L2T3 said: He’s entirely free to voice his thoughts. If his thoughts are racist then he will unfortunately have to pay the consequences. That is how it works And who decides his thoughts are racist? Can publishing his scientific research be classed as his 'thoughts'? As has already been said, were his research to be in a different field and he concluded that blacks are physically superior, would his thoughts be racist or would that be ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron99 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 It does seem that the Chinese, S.E Asians & the Italians are amongst the brightest according to I.Q results. https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html However presumably the results are based on I.Q. tests. I've never had such a test & don't know anyone else whose undertook one. Anyone on here took such a test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Jim Hardie said: And who decides his thoughts are racist? Can publishing his scientific research be classed as his 'thoughts'? As has already been said, were his research to be in a different field and he concluded that blacks are physically superior, would his thoughts be racist or would that be ok? Problem with that argument is he didn’t do research that compared intelligence. He came to his conclusion because he though black employees were less intelligent. Society basically gets to decide whether his views are acceptable. And as a result he ended up with much reduced income. Within society there are many arbiters of what is acceptable. God help us if views like his ever become mainstream again. We’d be on a dangerous path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemcewan Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) He's not the first and won't be the last to make such comments This character peddled similar ideas. Arthur Jensen. Edited January 14, 2019 by petemcewan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 This is the trouble with sweeping generalisations. In this case it will give succour to those who believe in white supremacy ,which in some instances is demonstrably unsupported by their utterances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Hardie Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 2 hours ago, I1L2T3 said: Problem with that argument is he didn’t do research that compared intelligence. He came to his conclusion because he though black employees were less intelligent. Society basically gets to decide whether his views are acceptable. And as a result he ended up with much reduced income. Within society there are many arbiters of what is acceptable. God help us if views like his ever become mainstream again. We’d be on a dangerous path. Sorry, jumped in with both feet there. I was confusing him with someone else who had expressed similar views some time ago and was hounded out of his job, unfairly in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemcewan Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Genes and intelligence are part of the Sociobiologists tool kit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, petemcewan said: Genes and intelligence are part of the Sociobiologists tool kit . Is race a factor though? From what I know of classic IQ tests you can train to do well in them. People who apply for Mensa often train for the tests. Different cultures have different educational practices, and perhaps the tests favour people who have been taught from young in certain ways. Even within the U.K. a good IQ score could be partly a result of having a good education so does that mean state educated Britons are not as intelligent as privately educated Britons. That’s not true of course. Just a thought but those are the sorts of conclusions cod science around IQ tests can lead to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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