Remember the six million .

[Top Cats Hat]

10 minutes ago, woodview said:

On a thread about the horrors of anti-semitism, are people who claim to know better going to make it an islamaphobia thread instead?

Maybe you could point out the Islamaphobic posts for us as I can't see any.

[woodview]

52 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Maybe you could point out the Islamaphobic posts for us as I can't see any.

On a thread that is supposed to be about holocaust day, remembering people killed in genocidal acts in and since WW2, you have made a comment criticizing unknown posters for not mentioning communist deaths in the holocaust and then gone on to tell us about 'large parts of the Muslim world having holocaust denial as a central tenet' and it being 'rife in the arab world' (whatever that is)

Maybe tell the relatives of the Muslim victims of genocide at Srebenica about your thoughts? Holocaust day is supposed to be remembering those too.

This thread and the other thread, which had to be quickly closed, are derailed instantly by people with axes to grind. Seems some people are more interested in using it as a handy weapon, than rembering it for what it is.

 

It is supposed to be about a day of remembrance for ALL victims of hatred and genocide. I'd suggest being more respectful, and keep the finger pointing against any 'large parts' of any religious community to yourself.

[Albert smith]

The title of this thread is Remember the six million , That is a reference to the Jewish people murdered by Germany and its allies in the the second World War .

[woodview]

2 minutes ago, Albert smith said:

The title of this thread is Remember the six million , That is a reference to the Jewish people murdered by Germany and its allies in the the second World War .

OK. Your other opening post thread about holocaust day, that was closed, did only mention antisemitism too.

Should we not be mentioning the other victims of genocide that Holocaust day also remembers? I don't quite get where you are heading with this.

 

[Vaati]

Back on topic.

[Top Cats Hat]

42 minutes ago, woodview said:

It is supposed to be about a day of remembrance for ALL victims of hatred and genocide. I'd suggest being more respectful, and keep the finger pointing against any 'large parts' of any religious community to yourself.

The origins of antisemitism lie in Christianity and it was later appropriated by Islam and to a lesser degree by Paganism.

 

A discussion of the Holocaust without referring to its religious motivation does a disservice to those who died as well as those who are still in danger of harm through religious fanaticism.

[Albert smith]

Todays Times reports from Poland that a group has disrupted the Holocaust memorial service at Auschwitz ,the group chanted antisemitic and ant Israel slogans at the camp entrance, they chanted that it was time to drive the Jews out of Poland.

This is just another example of the antisemitic threats that are taking place in Europe and other Countries to the East .

Lest we forget seem to be more important now  than ever before as we prepare to leave the union than at any time over the last fifty years.

[janie48]

On 29/01/2019 at 18:13, Top Cats Hat said:

The origins of antisemitism lie in Christianity and it was later appropriated by Islam and to a lesser degree by Paganism.

 

A discussion of the Holocaust without referring to its religious motivation does a disservice to those who died as well as those who are still in danger of harm through religious fanaticism.

Paganism was antisemitic long before Christianity existed. 

 

I agree that religious fanaticism can be dangerous but so can political ideologies without religion as its short history has revealed. 

 

Also, I don't think many Jews would blame the Holocaust on religion.

At a time when most people were identified by their religious heritage it is impossible to tell who were genuine believers. 

 

 

[TyneSoft]

On 29/01/2019 at 18:13, Top Cats Hat said:

The origins of antisemitism lie in Christianity and it was later appropriated by Islam and to a lesser degree by Paganism.

What a load of nonsense. Where's your evidence of this?

[justinelle]

Anti Semitism and the Nazi Genocide in the bigger picture is just one incident when put in a Historical perspective.  Should we count numbers or the proportion of a population intentionally killed?  

 

The British historical contribution to genocide appears to outclass and predate Germany.  Maybe its time to realise the British fanatical  racist attitudes, justified their genocides, towards lesser worthy humans.

 

A few years before before Adolf Hitler came on the stage Britain had engineered an impressive genocide in Iran.  Documents in the American Archives, estimates the number of the deceased due to the policy induced famine to be about 8-10 million during 1917-19  making this the greatest genocide of the 20th century and Iran the biggest victim of World War I  The American documents show that the British prevented imports of wheat and other food grains into Iran from Mesopotamia, Asia, and also the USA, and that ships loaded with wheat were not allowed to unload. Britain intentionally created genocide conditions to destroy Iran, and to effectively control the country for its own purposes.  

 

In 1943, up to four million Bengalis starved to death when Winston Churchill diverted food to British soldiers and countries such as Greece while a deadly famine swept through Bengal.   Talking about the Bengal famine in 1943, Churchill said: “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.”

 

When peaceful protesters defied a government order and demonstrated against British colonial rule in India, on 13 April 1919, they were blocked inside the walled Jallianwala Gardens and fired upon under the orders of Brigadier Reginald Dyer, and kept firing until they ran out of ammunition, killing between 379 and 1,000 protesters and injuring another 1,100 within 10 minutes. Brigadier Dyer was later lauded a hero by the British public, who raised £26,000 for him as a thank you.

 

Going back historically During the Second Boer War (1899-1902), the British rounded up around a sixth of the Boer population - mainly women and children - and detained them in overcrowded camps, with scant food rations.  We introduces to the world concentration camps where of the 107,000 people interned in the camps, 27,927 Boers died, along with an unknown number of black Africans as the official attitudes were almost fanatically racist and black African deaths were not worth counting.

 

The Great Famine or the Great Hunger was a period of mass starvation, disease, and emigration in Ireland between 1845 and 1849. . This famine was caused by British policies and faced a large cover up attempt by the British government and crown to blame it on ‘potatoes’ . The famine, was a result of purposely withheld food supplies and thus a deliberate genocide by the British government  During the famine, one fourth of the Irish population about one million people died and a million more emigrated from Ireland, causing the island's population to fall by between 20% and 25%. 

 

Thousands of elderly Kenyans, mistreated, raped and tortured them during the Mau Mau Uprising (1951-1960), UK Government records tshow ministers in London knew of the torture and murder of Mau Mau insurgents in Kenya and roasting them alive. Members of the Kikuyu tribe were detained in camps, since described as "Britain's gulags" or concentration camps, where they allege they were systematically tortured and suffered serious sexual assault. Historian David Anderson estimates there were 20,000, whereas Caroline Elkins believes up to 100,000 could have died.

;The papers at HanslopePark also include the reports on the "elimination" of the colonial authority's enemies in 1950s Malaya.

 

Aden, was where the army's Intelligence Corps operated a secret torture centre for several years in the 1960s

 

So do not give the Germans the credit for the worst genocide in History against just the Jews, when Britain shone the torch for others to follow  and apart from the above continues to contribute to mass murder today, again for profit, in Yemen, where starvation is again the preferred tool.    

Edited January 31, 2019 by justinelle