Shamima Begum

[bendix]

1 hour ago, crazyhorse said:

Unfortunately all the support you mention above will take resources that we as a country can ill afford.

There are many more useful things that could be done in society with the resources we save by cutting her loose.

 

Nonsense.  What do you think it involves?    There would be a few MI5 and police interviews to assess if she broke any laws.  if she did, she would be prosecuted.  If she didn't then all that would be required is for her to be returned home and perhaps have some kind of social service monitoring to see that she's integrating properly.

 

It's a simple choice.  Act with compassion and humanity and hope to reap the dividends (not just with her but by showing other misguided fools that there is a path to redemption), or reacting with spite and hate and sanctions and contributing to the radicalisation of even more vulnerable children.  Think of the costs of that.

 

People need to get their heads out of the Daily Mail and think for themselves.

[Top Cats Hat]

3 minutes ago, bendix said:

Nonsense.  What do you think it involves?    There would be a few MI5 and police interviews to assess if she broke any laws.  if she did, she would be prosecuted.  If she didn't then all that would be required is for her to be returned home and perhaps have some kind of social service monitoring to see that she's integrating properly.

Apparently the most effective Prevent workers are those who have been there and done it themselves (for both Islamists and the UK far-right). 

 

Nobody knows that this woman couldn't end up as a goldmine dealing with others looking to make the same mistakes as she did, if handled properly.

[El Cid]

2 hours ago, geared said:

Isn't being part of a terrorist organisation illegal?

Does having 3 babies to a member count, or has she got to sign up in her own right?

Its mostly the males commit the violence, were the wives of the IRA etc deported?

[danot]

51 minutes ago, bendix said:

Nonsense.  What do you think it involves?    There would be a few MI5 and police interviews to assess if she broke any laws.  if she did, she would be prosecuted.  If she didn't then all that would be required is for her to be returned home and perhaps have some kind of social service monitoring to see that she's integrating properly.

 

It's a simple choice.  Act with compassion and humanity and hope to reap the dividends (not just with her but by showing other misguided fools that there is a path to redemption), or reacting with spite and hate and sanctions and contributing to the radicalisation of even more vulnerable children.  Think of the costs of that.

 

People need to get their heads out of the Daily Mail and think for themselves.

If these young girls were going online  to watch children being sexually abused then heading off to join  paedophile rings and marrying into them it'd be a different story.  These girls are no different to john Venables who was just an evil child, not brainwashed by the dark web, evil.  Besides. If children are too susceptible to Isis propaganda, there's little anybody can do to prevent their radicalisation. Isn't it inevitable?

Edited February 20, 2019 by danot

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said:

Apparently the most effective Prevent workers are those who have been there and done it themselves (for both Islamists and the UK far-right). 

 

Nobody knows that this woman couldn't end up as a goldmine dealing with others looking to make the same mistakes as she did, if handled properly.

She could also be fooling everyone.

 

Someone who believes the Manchester bombing was justified, would be a potential danger to people.

[Shunter]

2 minutes ago, Mr Fisk said:

She could also be fooling everyone.

 

Someone who believes the Manchester bombing was justified, would be a potential danger to people.

Correct. It's shameful that anyone could even try to justify welcoming her back.

[K1Machine]

5 minutes ago, Shunter said:

Correct. It's shameful that anyone could even try to justify welcoming her back.

Ive not read the whole thread but up to now I haven't seen anyone "Welcoming" her back. Some people, including me wanted her back for various reasons but as for rolling out the red carpet? I dont think so.

[Top Cats Hat]

4 minutes ago, Mr Fisk said:

Someone who believes the Manchester bombing was justified, would be a potential danger to people.

Given that when she is quoted as saying that the Manchester bombing was justifed the word 'justified' was put in quotes which is an age old signifier that she didn't actually say that.

 

As far as I know what she did was to compare innocent civilians killed in Syrian airstrikes with innocent civilians killed in Manchester.

[FinBak]

She has had good opportunity to say she was 'Groomed' or 'Brainwashed'. 

 

She has said NOTHING regarding.

 

She has shown NO remorse. .quite the OPPOSITE.!

 

Classic Narcissistic Trait. 

 

One cant be done in for their looks ok... but have you seen her eyes?

 

There is nothing there but EVIL.

 

She is trying all the tricks in the book to try and get back to the UK.

 

And believe ME, she and her family know everyone of those tricks.

 

At best we can keep her out through 'Red Tape'......for around 3 maybe 4 years.

 

Then she will worm her way back in and we will be powerless to stop her. 

 

The law regarding making someone 'Stateless' needs amending.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Shunter]

1 minute ago, K1Machine said:

Ive not read the whole thread but up to now I haven't seen anyone "Welcoming" her back. Some people, including me wanted her back for various reasons but as for rolling out the red carpet? I dont think so.

Well it's either let her back or don't. There's no middle ground. The notion of actually letting her back is welcoming in itself. The other option of saying no speaks volumes to those who wish to participate in murderous treachery against the very people they want to re-establish themselves with . They won't be welcome.