Shamima Begum

[woodview]

Very sad a child has died.

What was the government response when she asked for the baby to be sent to the uk without her for treatment?

[Halibut]

10 minutes ago, woodview said:

Very sad a child has died.

What was the government response when she asked for the baby to be sent to the uk without her for treatment?

Del Babu, former Met Police Chief Superintendent said -    "We've failed, as a country, to safeguard the child.

"This was an entirely avoidable death of a British citizen. The family reached out to the Home Office, requested help, the Home Office sent a reply saying you've come to the wrong department.

"There was no attempt to help by the Home Office. I think it's shocking how the home secretary has treated this situation."

 

Diane Abbot, shadow home secretary tweeted  "It is against international law to make someone stateless, and now an innocent child has died as a result of a British woman being stripped of her citizenship. This is callous and inhumane."

 

I agree with Del and Diane.

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47500387

Edited March 9, 2019 by Halibut
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[Delayed]

52 minutes ago, woodview said:

Very sad a child has died.

What was the government response when she asked for the baby to be sent to the uk without her for treatment?

I don't recollect that she did. I think it was always her intention to return to the UK with the child

[WasThatWise]

Any death is sad, people political point scoring on the back of it is sadder.

[blake]

3 hours ago, Delayed said:

the fact that her child was British

no it wasn't. At the time of its birth neither of its parents were British. It might have become British later on in its life, but at the time it died, the child wasn't British.  The child wasn't any nationality. It was a stateless person, or in this case, a stateless baby.  

 

somebody, somewhere, has to decide whether somebody else is a British subject. Nobody gets it 100% automatically.  Of course if you're born in Britain and both your parents have valid British passports that haven't been cancelled, it is pretty much a slam dunk that you're British, but you're not totally 100% you are until you apply for a passport yourself. 

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4 minutes ago, blake said:

no it wasn't. At the time of its birth neither of its parents were British. It might have become British later on in its life, but at the time it died, the child wasn't British.  The child wasn't any nationality. It was a stateless person, or in this case, a stateless baby.  

 

somebody, somewhere, has to decide whether somebody else is a British subject. Nobody gets it 100% automatically.  Of course if you're born in Britain and both your parents have valid British passports that haven't been cancelled, it is pretty much a slam dunk that you're British, but you're not totally 100% you are until you apply for a passpSort yourself. 

So why is everyone in the media and government describing the child as British?  I thought that the child was born before the mother's citizenship was revoked?  Meaning that the child would assume British citizenship.  Also a child born to a parent that is British automatically assumes their nationality even before applying for a passport. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law#British_citizenship_by_descent

[blake]

somebody somewhere has to decide whether somebody is a British citizen or not. 

 

how do you know that Bergum was even the child's mother at all? You only have her word for it and that she looked sort of pregnant when the journalist who broke the story interviewed her. 

Edited March 9, 2019 by blake

[Mister M]

1 hour ago, blake said:

somebody somewhere has to decide whether somebody is a British citizen or not. 

 

how do you know that Bergum was even the child's mother at all? You only have her word for it and that she looked sort of pregnant when the journalist who broke the story interviewed her. 

Yeah, I think that would be the give away that she was in fact pregnant.

[Halibut]

2 hours ago, WasThatWise said:

Any death is sad, people political point scoring on the back of it is sadder.

Nonsense, it was a death brought about by politics.  Of course it should be discussed in a political context.

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15 minutes ago, Halibut said:

Nonsense, it was a death brought about by politics.  Of course it should be discussed in a political context.

It was a death brought about by pneumonia and an irresponsible, immature mother getting pregnant on a war torn country