Shamima Begum

[Cyclone]

4 minutes ago, Halibut said:

This country made no effort at all to help the child. Therefore, part of the fault lies with us. Had the political will been there that child could been given good medical care.

The state won't normally provide any assistance to ill citizens who are abroad.  You need medical insurance or you get a massive bill or no treatment...  That goes for babies as well.

[Delayed]

10 minutes ago, Halibut said:

This country made no effort at all to help the child. Therefore, part of the fault lies with us. Had the political will been there that child could been given good medical care.

The country would have offered her help had she made it to a British Embassy. However there is no obligation for the Home Secretary to risk the lives of military personnel going to collect them.

[danot]

2 minutes ago, Halibut said:

This country made no effort at all to help the child. Therefore, part of the fault lies with us. Had the political will been there that child could been given good medical care.

Nonsense.  The baby was never denied British citizenship or entry to Britain.  His mother denied him that, which led to his deterioration and death.  His mother gambled his ife away, and if the home Secretary had allowed her to return to Britain, he'd have been gambling with our lives.

[hauxwell]

How long would it have taken to get Begum back into this country if she was allowed to return?  There would be paper work to sort out, who to hand her over to. 

I don’t believe for one moment her return would happen over night. The baby could have still died even if government had allowed her to return to the UK.

 

[hobinfoot]

21 minutes ago, Delayed said:

The country would have offered her help had she made it to a British Embassy. However there is no obligation for the Home Secretary to risk the lives of military personnel going to collect them.

This is true. The foreign office said that they would not send any officials into danger in the camps where IS had a presence. It is a shame about the baby but at the end of the day no one made Shamema go the fault entirely lays with her and the situation she finds herself in now.

Edited March 10, 2019 by hobinfoot

[El Cid]

Bruce Reynolds, who was the key planner behind the £2.6m Great Train Robbery in 1963 was overseas evading capture for many years, we didn't withdraw his citizenship, and he was convicted in the UK of murder in his absence.

He returned to the UK under a false identity, he went on to commit more crimes; should we have attempted to exclude him and the other robbers from the UK? He posed much more of the threat to UK citizens, as he had been convicted of robbery and murder, unlike Begum.

[Delayed]

3 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Bruce Reynolds, who was the key planner behind the £2.6m Great Train Robbery in 1963 was overseas evading capture for many years, we didn't withdraw his citizenship, and he was convicted in the UK of murder in his absence.

He returned to the UK under a false identity, he went on to commit more crimes; should we have attempted to exclude him and the other robbers from the UK? He posed much more of the threat to UK citizens, as he had been convicted of robbery and murder, unlike Begum.

Yes we should have

[Resident]

2 hours ago, Halibut said:

This country made no effort at all to help the child. Therefore, part of the fault lies with us. Had the political will been there that child could been given good medical care.

The moment she chose to turn her back on this country and join it's enemy she and any future offspring became no concern of this country. 

 

If you're that sympathetic to the terrorists then you're quite welcome to join Begum. 

 

[hobinfoot]

1 hour ago, El Cid said:

Bruce Reynolds, who was the key planner behind the £2.6m Great Train Robbery in 1963 was overseas evading capture for many years, we didn't withdraw his citizenship, and he was convicted in the UK of murder in his absence.

He returned to the UK under a false identity, he went on to commit more crimes; should we have attempted to exclude him and the other robbers from the UK? He posed much more of the threat to UK citizens, as he had been convicted of robbery and murder, unlike Begum.

How you can equate the great train robbers with terrorist who have murdered thousands is beyond me. 

[K1Machine]

12 minutes ago, hobinfoot said:

How you can equate the great train robbers with terrorist who have murdered thousands is beyond me. 

Out of interest, How many murders has Shamima Begum personally committed?