woodview Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: Because they would rather see the UK leave with a deal than leave with no deal. Remember that the EU will be harmed by a no deal Brexit as well as the UK. This is true, and why the very public proclamations in Parliament that we simply won't allow one are doing more harm than good. In a negotiation it has to be clear that you are prepared to walk away (if if only partially true) . That is for you, as one half of the negotiation to know where your limit lies. To so publicly reject a no-deal as an option, hasn't helped us get a deal that actually does work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, apelike said: Its just not as simple as passing an Act as they will also need a majority vote to pass it . That majority is already there. It is just about the only thing that there is a majority for in Parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: Because they would rather see the UK leave with a deal than leave with no deal. Remember that the EU will be harmed by a no deal Brexit as well as the UK. That is a valid point. However, the defeat for the Withdrawal Agreement on offer was so massive that it is unlikely any alternative deal approved by the EU would get through Parliament. Time has run out. The only chance for an Article 50 extension is if the Government lose the confidence vote tonight and there is a General Election. The Government aren't going to lose that vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apelike Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: That majority is already there. You may think that but the political editors dont seem to and so far they are still split on the matter. Not forgetting of course that they also need to come up with an alternative solution first but they dont really know what that alternative is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said: It can't be changed by Parliament if there isn't a majority in favour of an alternative. An accidental no deal would respect and honour the democratic EU referendum result. There will be a huge majority for avoiding no deal. Just takes a Private Members Bill. Any MP in any party can bring it to parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaffa1 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I wish Harry Gracian would stop saying Bregzit, he's not on his own though there's lots of TV presenters pronouncing it like this. Grrrrrr very annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hots on Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, jaffa1 said: I wish Harry Gracian would stop saying Bregzit, he's not on his own though there's lots of TV presenters pronouncing it like this. Grrrrrr very annoying. "Brexit" is of course a mix of the words Britain and exit, and I'm sure most people pronounce exit - Egzit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 50 minutes ago, apelike said: You may think that but the political editors dont seem to and so far they are still split I'm not sure what they are basing that on. Apart from members of the ERG group and the odd crank like Kate Hoey, I've seen barely anyone advocating leaving with no deal. On the other hand, many MPs have said that they won't let a no deal happen. Lets not forget, the DUP cannot support a no deal Brexit so if Labour, the SNP and the Greens plus the 30-40 remainer MPs like Anna Soubrey support any motion 'prohibiting' no deal, you already have a parliamentary majority right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECCOnoob Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I would agree. Harry is saying it right. When most people say "exit" they don't pronounce it ehzit. It's said with a "g"sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyofborg Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Obelix said: We cannot revoke Art 50 without there being a meaningful process followed. The EU have said that we have to make a constitutionally valid decision to revoke art 50 before they acept it. Thats either a referendum or a GE, neither of which can be done in time. under what passes for our constitution, a constitutionally valid decision would be revoking the article 50 submission law and passing a revoking article 50 law there is plenty of time for a general election, should the government lose tonights vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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