Top Cats Hat Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, hauxwell said: May has got a deal through Parliament She hasn't got any deal through Parliament. She has amended her deal to say if x, y and z were done, would you support it? If she proposed a deal where every country in the world would give us a bag of gold and a free holiday in their country as well as making the Queen the head of the world, she would certainly get a majority in Parliament but the whole thing would be a bit of a waste of time. Just like last night's vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauxwell Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Baron99 said: Only reported by the BBC the other day that the French agricultural sector which runs a trade surplus with the UK worth £1.4 billion are getting a bit jittery about a no Brexit deal & having their goods piled up on their side of the Channel. It’s been proven we don’t need the EU for fruit and vegetables so they should be nervous. read my post 1565. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broakham Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 46 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: As someone whose understanding of the situation in Ireland is so poor that he needed The Belfast Agreement explaining to him on a number of occasions, I'm not sure you are in a position to make such a claim. There are only five situations where there will not be a hard border in Ireland. 1. The UK in a permanent customs union with the EU. 2. Northern Ireland in a permanent customs union with the EU. 3. A united Ireland. 4. No brexit. 5. A withdrawl agreement that ends in a customs arrangement where tariffs are harmonised between the EU and the UK. In the case of number 5, until that withdrawal agreement is finalised, Northern Ireland must remain in a customs union. That is the backstop and it can't have a time limit on it nor can it be cancelled unilaterally. This is the reality of international relations. It pre dates the EU referendum and will certainly outlive this mess. Your crackpot idea that it is simply something conjoured out of the air to steal your precious Brexit is a nonsense. Oh and by the way, you seem desperate to defend the democratic wishes of the 36% of the British electorate who voted to leave the EU but completely disinterested in the democratic wishes of the 94% of Irish people who voted for the Belfast Agreement. There is also a sixth scenario - That the Republic of Ireland also leaves the EU. This is no more or less unlikely than a united Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinfoilhat Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, hauxwell said: It’s been proven we don’t need the EU for fruit and vegetables so they should be nervous. read my post 1565. Not sure if serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Broakham said: There is also a sixth scenario - That the Republic of Ireland also leaves the EU. This is no more or less unlikely than a united Ireland. Not quite, since approval of EU membership and the desire to remain is fairly universal across the island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Broakham said: There is also a sixth scenario - That the Republic of Ireland also leaves the EU. This is no more or less unlikely than a united Ireland. I'm not entirely sure what you base that on. Over 60% of the Irish people support a united Ireland and less than 10% support leaving the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said: Not sure if serious? Shortages and price rises until EU supplies came back on-line a few weeks later..... more likely they just disproved their point Even the "non-EU" stuff will most likely have been sourced by wholesalers within the EU under EU trade deals. Edited January 30, 2019 by Magilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L00b Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Broakham said: There is also a sixth scenario - That the Republic of Ireland also leaves the EU. This is no more or less unlikely than a united Ireland. With an 82% approval rate for EU membership in the RoI, it’s as likely as David Davis and Liam Fox delivering a gold egg-laying unicorn factory at the AMP. Holding out for an Irexit as the solution is not so much delusional, as downright desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Top Cats Hat said: As someone whose understanding of the situation in Ireland is so poor that he needed The Belfast Agreement explaining to him on a number of occasions, I'm not sure you are in a position to make such a claim. There are only five situations where there will not be a hard border in Ireland. 1. The UK in a permanent customs union with the EU. 2. Northern Ireland in a permanent customs union with the EU. 3. A united Ireland. 4. No brexit. 5. A withdrawl agreement that ends in a customs arrangement where tariffs are harmonised between the EU and the UK. In the case of number 5, until that withdrawal agreement is finalised, Northern Ireland must remain in a customs union. That is the backstop and it can't have a time limit on it nor can it be cancelled unilaterally. This is the reality of international relations. It pre dates the EU referendum and will certainly outlive this mess. Your crackpot idea that it is simply something conjoured out of the air to steal your precious Brexit is a nonsense. Oh and by the way, you seem desperate to defend the democratic wishes of the 36% of the British electorate who voted to leave the EU but completely disinterested in the democratic wishes of the 94% of Irish people who voted for the Belfast Agreement. Your 36% figure was boring many months ago and is even more boring now. The reality is the legal default position is that the UK will leave the EU on the 29th of March without a deal. It has been well documented that businesses and the Government are preparing for a no deal Brexit. I haven't seen any news reports for either the UK, the Republic of Ireland or the EU making preparations for building a hard border in time for March 29th or any time after that date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauxwell Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said: Not sure if serious? It was serious in 2017 when shelves were empty of fruit and veg because the EU were our main suppliers. Thanks to The Supermarkets who acted quickly to fill the shelves with these items from none EU countries. Edited January 30, 2019 by hauxwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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