Magilla Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, ads36 said: it's bonkers beyond satire. More delusions on the Irish border: https://www.ft.com/content/1ce27838-d370-11e7-8c9a-d9c0a5c8d5c9 Border controls also function as an enforcement agency for a wide variety of laws including restricting counterfeits, ensuring environmental safety, deterring human smuggling, protecting industrial and commercial property and safeguarding national treasures. Some of these are obligations directly on the UK as a signatory to United Nations charters. Leaving the border open would thus expose the UK as an eccentric, irresponsible global citizen, not a terrific way to launch boldly into the world as an independent trading nation. ...and that's long before the widespread litigation the UK would face at the WTO from refusing to erect a border and breaching MFN rules, ironically from all those nations we're supposed to be doing deals with going forward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: You mean the EU don't want the UK to leave the EU. The EU are hoping the UK Government won't honour the 2016 EU referendum result, which the democratic UK people voted to leave the EU. Someone explain why it is undemocratic for a democratic vote to overturn a preceding democratic vote? Edited January 24, 2019 by ez8004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Magilla said: It's not a threat, unlike you they're just being honest! A border will be required, it's so self evidently the case it's a no-brainer. Then along comes Lockdoctor! Even the simple stuff is too much for some Hilarious. Yes, I understand simple stuff like when a referendum takes place and there are two choices on the ballot paper, that the winning choice is the one which receives the most votes. It is not honest, if the winning choice is not fully implemented. Those people attempting to block Brexit happening are not honest people. There will not been a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland regardless of whether the UK leave the EU with or without a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads36 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) so starting off our bright new trading relationship with the rest of the world by immediately flouting WTO rules? there were 2 choices on the ballot, the tricky bit is that one of them represented at least 3 distinct possibilities. Edited January 24, 2019 by ads36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: Hilarious. Yes, I understand simple stuff like when a referendum takes place and there are two choices on the ballot paper, that the winning choice is the one which receives the most votes. It is not honest, if the winning choice is not fully implemented. Those people attempting to block Brexit happening are not honest people. Those promising Brexit on terms that were a fantasy are not honest people. 9 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: There will not been a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland regardless of whether the UK leave the EU with or without a deal. Project plain faced lie! We're not only obliged to erect one to avoid falling foul of WTO/MFN, we're obliged under numerous international treaties that are nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. 20 minutes ago, ez8004 said: Someone explain why it is undemocratic for a democratic vote to overturn a preceding democratic vote? It isn't, in any way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Magilla said: Those promising Brexit on terms that were a fantasy are not honest people. We're not only obliged to erect one to avoid falling foul of WTO/MFN, we're obliged under numerous international treaties that are nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. Nobody promised anything. Nobody, who isn't in a position of authority can promise anything. I don't care, if the UK fall foul of any WTO rules. Do you seriously think the people of China and America care when their Governments flout WTO rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Just now, Lockdoctor said: Nobody promised anything. Nobody, who isn't in a position of authority can promise anything. I don't care, if the UK fall foul of any WTO rules. Do you seriously think the people of China and America care when their Governments flout WTO rules? Oh yes, because we have an economy that could withstand a trade war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, ez8004 said: Oh yes, because we have an economy that could withstand a trade war. Hilarious. We are still in the EU and have an economy with a massive trade deficit. We have already lost the trade war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ez8004 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Lockdoctor said: Hilarious. We are still in the EU and have an economy with a massive trade deficit. We have already lost the trade war. So how does that argument help you in any way for a no deal Brexit that you are advocating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magilla Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: Nobody promised anything. "Easiest trade deal in history" = no trade deal. "UK will have all the benefits of the single market and customs union" = no benefits whatsover. "UK will prosper" = uk can survive. "£350m for the NHS" = Tax rises to pay for a fraction of that. Nobody promised anything.... Nope! 5 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: Nobody, who isn't in a position of authority can promise anything. Liam Fox, David Davis, Raab, Johnson.... all in positions of authority 5 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: I don't care, if the UK fall foul of any WTO rules. You don't care... you could have stopped there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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