RJRB Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, apelike said: If that was true then if there is another referendum the questions should be the same again, Remain or Leave. But that is only on condition that our democratically elected representatives allow the electorate to, which gives it a slightly different slant. I agree as long as Leave is as well defined as Remain is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads36 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, woolyhead said: ... if we did not leave the EU and the backstop were in force how, where and when would we pay the import duty on our goods to the EU? the backstop, is essentially a version of norway's relationship with the EU, ie. in the customs union. ergo, no duty to pay. Edited January 25, 2019 by ads36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 57 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: The end user will pay the duty because the cost will be passed on to them. Most small importers use a freight forwarding company to sort out all the duty payments when importing goods from non EU countries at the moment. Correct, buyer pays the government of the receiving country. At the moment import duty is passed on to the EU less 20% retained by HMRC to cover collection costs. So if you imported £1,000,000 of parts from China for building machinery, they might be subject to 5% import duty, IE £50k, totalling £1,050,000. HMRC would keep £10k and pass on £40k to the EU. On WTO brexit, HMRC would retain the whole £50k. That would also apply to the same purchase from Germany, on WTO. As a net importer from the EU and non EU, HMRC would receive more import tariff funds than previously. A car attracts more import duty, 10% on WTO , I believe. So an imported £40k BMW would cost £44k with HMRC receiving £4k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, apelike said: Which seems to equal up when it was also the super rich that instructed you to remain! It's not us you need to tell that, it's carboot that seems to think wealth and class is one way, it isnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 13 hours ago, apelike said: Yes but that is a bit backwards to say the least. The problem there is that unless a working Stormont Government exists then the whole issue of a united Ireland cannot even be discussed, so that has to be sorted out first. None of that is true whichever way you look at it. The Belfast Agreement makes provision for a border poll to be taken if it appears likely that there is now a majority in the North to leave the UK. If this is the case the the Irish Government needs to pass legislation for a constitutional amendment which is then put to the Irish people in a referendum. If the Irish people say yes, the North leaves the UK and Ireland is reunited. At this point, all power sharing arrangements in the North cease to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, Top Cats Hat said: None of that is true whichever way you look at it. The Belfast Agreement makes provision for a border poll to be taken if it appears likely that there is now a majority in the North to leave the UK. If this is the case the the Irish Government needs to pass legislation for a constitutional amendment which is then put to the Irish people in a referendum. If the Irish people say yes, the North leaves the UK and Ireland is reunited. At this point, all power sharing arrangements in the North cease to exist. Polls would be called by both national governments and taken separately by both the Republic and the North. If a majority in both say yes, then reunification can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Cyclone said: You still don't understand that it was the super rich who were instructing you to vote leave? Only a tiny handful of the wealthy establishment supported Leave. Only a tiny handful of business supported Leave. Only a tiny handful of politicians supported Leave. The overwhelming majority of the rich establishment supported Remain. There is no equivalence between the mass of the wealthy global elite supporting Remain, and the tiny handful of rich Leave supporters. The Remain support included very powerful American investment banks - such as Citigroup, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan, who also funded the Remain campaign. These were the banks that played a major role in the financial crash. Not a single UK or international Bank funded or supported the Leave campaign (Lloyds funded the Remain campaign). The major players in the last global financial crash supported the UK Remaining in the EU. Reason enough to vote Leave. Edited January 25, 2019 by Car Boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) A second referendum could destroy public trust in politics By Ian Lavery MP, Chair of the Labour Party. "However, we should be in no doubt that asking voters to vote again on an issue to which they have already given an answer, until they come up with the right answer, risks serious damage to the relationship between many citizens and politicians at Westminster." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/25/second-referendum-destroy-public-trust-politics-labour-brexit-vote Another vote on our EU membership, being promoted by the Davos global elite, would only make a bonfire of our democracy. Luckily this dangerous idea now seems to have been thrown into the dustbin of history. Edited January 25, 2019 by Car Boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Cats Hat Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 41 minutes ago, woodview said: Polls would be called by both national governments and taken separately by both the Republic and the North. If a majority in both say yes, then reunification can happen. Not quite. A poll in the North showing a majority wish to leave the UK would lead to the government in the South passing legislation in both houses to amend the constitution. Once this is done, it is then put to the Irish people. As stated previously, the devolved government in Belfast whether operating or not, will play no part in this process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, CaptainSwing said: I guess the bottom line is that if the result of a referendum is anywhere near 50/50, the correct result to declare is not "win" or "lose", but "undecided", especially when voting is not compulsory. All water under the bridge now though of course, sadly. So, the way forward is to be in some kind of half in / half out deal scenario. Fully in and Fully out are both ends of a spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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