I1L2T3 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, WiseOwl182 said: Exactly. The EU haven't budged on anything. They're playing hardball. As a reluctant Remainer in the first referendum, this kind of treatment is likely to swing me to Leave. They should at least give a little. We've been one of the biggest net contributors since it's inception. It's supposed to be a democratic state. The countries are supposed to be allies . They'd risk the peace in Ireland rather than lose our contribution, which speaks volumes. What can they give on? The whole thing is built on the four freedoms. They can’t dilute them just for us as a third party country. The Swiss tried this recently with the free movement of labour element, and got the exactly the same response. Just what do you think is the wriggle room. I can’t see any. There really isn’t any. The EU 27 made this clear from the start and has stuck to those principles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: What can they give on? The whole thing is built on the four freedoms. They can’t dilute them just for us as a third party country. The Swiss tried this recently with the free movement of labour element, and got the exactly the same response. Just what do you think is the wriggle room. I can’t see any. There really isn’t any. The EU 27 made this clear from the start and has stuck to those principles The four freedoms for business are of most importance to the EU. While over 45 years of UK membership and financial contributions have no importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Car Boot said: While over 45 years of UK membership and financial contributions have no importance. Who chose to leave - and once you've left why should you continue to get benefits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 The Irish government has said they won't be building any border points in a no-deal scenario. Presumably this means the whole backstop stuff that has been the EU's best tool for making exit as difficult as possible is a sham? Hopefully the backstop stuff can be ripped out and we can leave on the other terms of the WA and all move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Cid Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 37 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: What can they give on? The whole thing is built on the four freedoms. 1 The freedom of movement is what most leavers seem to be against, but that has always been a positive for the UK, because we are an island and not subject to masses of people walking across an unmanned border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, El Cid said: The freedom of movement is what most leavers seem to be against, but that has always been a positive for the UK, because we are an island and not subject to masses of people walking across an unmanned border. Freedom of movement refers to EU citizens right to live and work in other EU countries. Schengen is different aspect too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Longcol said: Who chose to leave - and once you've left why should you continue to get benefits? The EU once saw itself as a peace initiative. Today it is about protecting the profits of big business, at the expense of a former member with over 45 years of membership contributions. Tomorrow the EU becomes militarised. Much better off OUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Car Boot said: The EU once saw itself as a peace initiative. Today it is about protecting the profits of big business, at the expense of a former member with over 45 years of membership contributions. Tomorrow the EU becomes militarised. Much better off OUT. Still doing a perfectly good job at keeping the peace in Europe. Membership contributions count for nothing when you've left - I'm sure a good socialist like yourself has been a member of a WMC - how many former members get benefits? Whats this tosh about militarisation - there aren't going to be EU soldiers on the streets of Paris, Berlin, Rome etc. A common defence force might be useful with the USA less than happy with NATO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 43 minutes ago, woodview said: Freedom of movement refers to EU citizens right to live and work in other EU countries. Schengen is different aspect too. It’s more complex than that with freedom of movement. It is the right to work and live in another country provided you have means of support. EU rules make it clear that there should be a 3 month time limit on proving means of support. As has been said a thousand times the U.K. chose not to follow the rules. 43 minutes ago, Car Boot said: The EU once saw itself as a peace initiative. Today it is about protecting the profits of big business, at the expense of a former member with over 45 years of membership contributions. Tomorrow the EU becomes militarised. Much better off OUT. We won’t be better off out. We’ll be poorer. WTO = 10% reduction in GDP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodview Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, I1L2T3 said: It’s more complex than that with freedom of movement. It is the right to work and live in another country provided you have means of support. EU rules make it clear that there should be a 3 month time limit on proving means of support. As has been said a thousand times the U.K. chose not to follow the rules. You've missed the gist of what I was answering. The quote in my post was talking about people wandering over borders, eg non EU migration. My only point is that freedom of movement refers to EU migration, nothing else. You might disagree with my general views on brexit, but it's worth not automatically assuming I will be saying something you disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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