Cyclone Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Car Boot said: There is a requirement to show a form of ID when entering Great Britain from Northern Ireland. I always take my passport. So you choose to use your passport, but a few posts previously claimed that a passport was required... There isn't though, there's a requirement to show ID when taking any flight. That is entirely unrelated to entering GB from NI. It's exactly the same if you fly Manchester to Newquay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdoctor Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cyclone said: So you choose to use your passport, but a few posts previously claimed that a passport was required... There isn't though, there's a requirement to show ID when taking any flight. That is entirely unrelated to entering GB from NI. It's exactly the same if you fly Manchester to Newquay. Car Boot stated he showed his passport which is a form of ID. He didn't say a passport was required. The point is checks are already made on people travelling from Northern Ireland to the mainland UK and will continue after we leave the EU on 29th March without a Brexit deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bargepole23 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47055188 Don't remember this being on that bus. This is on the head of every Leave voter. Do you Leave voters think it a price worth paying? Edited January 31, 2019 by Bargepole23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiffRaff Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 16 hours ago, Top Cats Hat said: Being 'in' politics is not just about standing for office as a local councillor or as an MP. It is just as much about educating yourself as to how the world works, and taking a view on issues that are important to you. The UK is woefully behind many countries when it comes to a politically educated populous. Look at any TV quiz show. When 'politics' comes up as a subject, contestants look disappointed and always seem to have an expectation to know little or nothing about the subject. When a choice is given between 'politics' and 'celebrities' a contestant will almost always feel more comfortable going for the 'celebrity' option. If more people had even a basic fundamental political understanding, they would have a framework into which they could place new information and make an assessment of it. It would certainly make us more resiliant to fake news and dog whistle political sloganeering as a nation. That's true, of course, but all you're able to do on the likes of this forum is browbeat/pontificate/argue one viewpoint against another. It doesn't actually get you anywhere - other than (perhaps) eventually being able to say "I told you so!" - whereas if you stood/were elected in some capacity you'd at least have the power to implement certain actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1L2T3 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 52 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: Car Boot stated he showed his passport which is a form of ID. He didn't say a passport was required. The point is checks are already made on people travelling from Northern Ireland to the mainland UK and will continue after we leave the EU on 29th March without a Brexit deal. Not on ferries last time I went. Car with four people and no ID checks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 42 minutes ago, Lockdoctor said: Car Boot stated he showed his passport which is a form of ID. He didn't say a passport was required. The point is checks are already made on people travelling from Northern Ireland to the mainland UK and will continue after we leave the EU on 29th March without a Brexit deal. The EU is proving to be extremely inconsistent in what it wants for the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. It has stated, and pushed it's puppet Leo Varadker to state, that a hard border will have to be enforced (presumably under an EU directive) on Ireland. But in January this year the EU also stated that it supports a technological solution to avoid a hard border. What it has previously described as a 'fantasy island unicorn model' (when proposed by the British) becomes a "facilitative arrangements and technologies viable alternative to the backstop' when proposed by Jean-Claude Juncker and Donald Tusk in a joint letter earlier this month. So the EU is playing a very dangerous game with Ireland. This proves the EU is dangerously irresponsible and working against peace in Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads36 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) yes, a hard border will have to be enforced, in the event of a no-deal exit, it's the law. yes, the EU are open to suggestions as to how to avoid that - including so-far-non-existent technological solutions, if they can be invented in time. those are not incompatible positions. it's the EU that are insisting on the back-stop, to prevent a hard border. if we accepted the more-or-less-reasonable backstop, that would be the end of the matter. but somehow it's the EU's fault? Edited January 31, 2019 by ads36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, ads36 said: yes, a hard border will have to be enforced, in the event of a no-deal exit, it's the law. yes, the EU are open to suggestions as to how to avoid that - including so-far-non-existent technological solutions, if they can be invented in time. those are not mutually exclusive positions. If the EU with its enforced hard border in Ireland brings back the long war then it deserves to be consigned to the dustbin of history. People BEFORE EU profit. NO to an EU Frontier in Ireland. NO to an EU hard border. NO to the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Car Boot said: If the EU with its enforced hard border in Ireland brings back the long war then it deserves to be consigned to the dustbin of history. People BEFORE EU profit. NO to an EU Frontier in Ireland. NO to an EU hard border. NO to the EU. You're an out and out idiot. You want us to leave the EU, that's what creates a border with the EU. It's entirely through our own actions. 1 hour ago, Lockdoctor said: Car Boot stated he showed his passport which is a form of ID. He didn't say a passport was required. The point is checks are already made on people travelling from Northern Ireland to the mainland UK and will continue after we leave the EU on 29th March without a Brexit deal. No Quote Identity checks are carried out on each passenger entering Great Britain. Not true. Checks are not made on people entering by ferry. Checks on IDs for flights are made, nothing to do with entering GB, all to do with aviation law for ANY flight. 47 minutes ago, RiffRaff said: That's true, of course, but all you're able to do on the likes of this forum is browbeat/pontificate/argue one viewpoint against another. It doesn't actually get you anywhere - other than (perhaps) eventually being able to say "I told you so!" - whereas if you stood/were elected in some capacity you'd at least have the power to implement certain actions. And factually correct the almost always incorrect brexiters who seem to make up whatever nonsense they like to try to justify their position to themselves. Edited January 31, 2019 by Cyclone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Car Boot Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 There has NEVER been a truly hard border in Ireland. Even during the height of The Troubles it was porous, with hundreds of crossings, and smuggling was rife. There was security to try and prevent terrorism, but it was unsuccessful for much of the time. 20, 000 British soldiers could not enforce a hard border - but the EU believes that it can. The EU wants to bring back the queuing and the questioning, which the people will not tolerate. NO to the EU. NO to an EU hard border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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